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<p>[QUOTE="Curtis, post: 24840842, member: 26430"]Oh, that is fantastic!! I've added this image to my notes, what a treasure, thank you!</p><p><br /></p><p>So glad you mentioned the "26" was a weight! That provides excellent additional circumstantial evidence that this is the correct coin, as it weighs exactly 1.68 grams = 26 grains! (Not a terribly common weight for that coin, either.)</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Those catalog dates are consistent with what I have, but I believe the <i>ancients</i> portion of JQA's collection was lost c. 1835, during the transfer, by the time of the 1838 catalog (but not the world and other coins). CFA had probably already begun a collection of his own then, as well (but wasn't yet obsessed, as he would become later, esp. c. 1860s).</p><p><br /></p><p><i>See</i>: <b>Friedlaender, 1974</b>, "<a href="https://www.jstor.org/stable/25080756" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.jstor.org/stable/25080756" rel="nofollow">Charles Francis Adams, Numismatist, Brought to the Bar: Groux v. Adams</a>," <i>Proceedings of the Massachusetts Historical Society</i> vol 86: pp. 3-27:</p><blockquote><p><i>Page 6, note 9:</i></p><p>"A second and larger part of the collection JQA had formed, consisting of coins of ancient Greece and Rome, which he kept in a "casket" at Washington and which he had also intended for his son, had mysteriously disappeared when he sought to send it to Boston later in 1835 (see <i>Diary of Charles Francis Adams</i>, VI, xiii, 185, 249, 280)."</p></blockquote><p><br /></p><p>(Great article, if you haven't seen it! You can sign up for JSTOR free w/ email if you don't have access, I use my gmail; you may be also able to find the article from the MHS website.)</p><p><br /></p><p>I can't find any indication the lost "casket" of Greek & Roman coins was ever recovered.</p><p><br /></p><p>My notes mention 3 collection records made across the three generations:</p><p><br /></p><p><b>First, by JQA, 1813/1817:</b> For his important volume <a href="https://archive.org/details/359910-john-quincy-adams-report-on-weights-and-measures" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://archive.org/details/359910-john-quincy-adams-report-on-weights-and-measures" rel="nofollow"><i>Report on Weights and Measures</i></a>, which discusses Greek and Hebrew coins & weights (Roman coins mostly p.19 ff.), as relevant to establishing the weights and measures for the new nation.</p><p><br /></p><p>(Two thousand years later! Amazing that John Quincy Adams actually used his ancient coin collection to help design a new country & administer its functions! Apparently it was a very serious project to him -- but others were less enthusiastic.)</p><p><br /></p><p><b>Then, CFA, 1838</b>: Stack's 1971 catalog: "A further list compiled by Charles Francis shows additions made to the collection by his father and himself down to 1838. It would appear that in all probability he received the entire collection from his father at some time between 1834 and 1838.”</p><blockquote><p>[I believe that must reference the surviving portion of JQA's coins -- world coins, medals, maybe early American?]</p></blockquote><p><br /></p><p><b>Finally, Henry Adams</b> cataloged the holdings, sometime c. 1880s-1913? (Between death of Charles Francis and donation the Society.)[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Curtis, post: 24840842, member: 26430"]Oh, that is fantastic!! I've added this image to my notes, what a treasure, thank you! So glad you mentioned the "26" was a weight! That provides excellent additional circumstantial evidence that this is the correct coin, as it weighs exactly 1.68 grams = 26 grains! (Not a terribly common weight for that coin, either.) Those catalog dates are consistent with what I have, but I believe the [I]ancients[/I] portion of JQA's collection was lost c. 1835, during the transfer, by the time of the 1838 catalog (but not the world and other coins). CFA had probably already begun a collection of his own then, as well (but wasn't yet obsessed, as he would become later, esp. c. 1860s). [I]See[/I]: [B]Friedlaender, 1974[/B], "[URL='https://www.jstor.org/stable/25080756']Charles Francis Adams, Numismatist, Brought to the Bar: Groux v. Adams[/URL]," [I]Proceedings of the Massachusetts Historical Society[/I] vol 86: pp. 3-27: [INDENT][I]Page 6, note 9:[/I] "A second and larger part of the collection JQA had formed, consisting of coins of ancient Greece and Rome, which he kept in a "casket" at Washington and which he had also intended for his son, had mysteriously disappeared when he sought to send it to Boston later in 1835 (see [I]Diary of Charles Francis Adams[/I], VI, xiii, 185, 249, 280)."[/INDENT] (Great article, if you haven't seen it! You can sign up for JSTOR free w/ email if you don't have access, I use my gmail; you may be also able to find the article from the MHS website.) I can't find any indication the lost "casket" of Greek & Roman coins was ever recovered. My notes mention 3 collection records made across the three generations: [B]First, by JQA, 1813/1817:[/B] For his important volume [URL='https://archive.org/details/359910-john-quincy-adams-report-on-weights-and-measures'][I]Report on Weights and Measures[/I][/URL], which discusses Greek and Hebrew coins & weights (Roman coins mostly p.19 ff.), as relevant to establishing the weights and measures for the new nation. (Two thousand years later! Amazing that John Quincy Adams actually used his ancient coin collection to help design a new country & administer its functions! Apparently it was a very serious project to him -- but others were less enthusiastic.) [B]Then, CFA, 1838[/B]: Stack's 1971 catalog: "A further list compiled by Charles Francis shows additions made to the collection by his father and himself down to 1838. It would appear that in all probability he received the entire collection from his father at some time between 1834 and 1838.” [INDENT][I believe that must reference the surviving portion of JQA's coins -- world coins, medals, maybe early American?][/INDENT] [B]Finally, Henry Adams[/B] cataloged the holdings, sometime c. 1880s-1913? (Between death of Charles Francis and donation the Society.)[/QUOTE]
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