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<p>[QUOTE="TIF, post: 2703550, member: 56859"]I love these creepy coins!</p><p><br /></p><p>Mine:</p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cointalk.com%2Fproxy.php%3Fimage%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fwww.cointalk.com%252Fproxy.php%253Fimage%253Dhttps%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.cointalk.com%25252Fproxy.php%25253Fimage%25253Dhttps%2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fstatic.wixstatic.com%2525252Fmedia%2525252Fae43f8_c2531bf482334eedb37350c8988118fd.jpg%2525252Fv1%2525252Ffill%2525252Fw_960%2525252Ch_476%2525252Cal_c%2525252Clg_1%2525252Cq_90%2525252Fae43f8_c2531bf482334eedb37350c8988118fd.jpg%252526hash%25253D6f88fb7063477b72db9df3f5e1641465%2526hash%253D576d25d12ab9fcd9bdc3ef63be169b7e%26hash%3Deb58ecdee9ec701d73db058872dcc9e7&hash=f68c5642415d1c68762bd4451ca37a2f" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><b>MACEDON, under Roman rule</b></p><p>c. 166-165 BCE</p><p>AE, 20 x 22 mm, 9.5 gm</p><p>Obv: Facing mask of Silenus, wearing ivy wreath</p><p>Rev: MAKE ΔONΩN legend In two lines; D above; all within ivy wreath</p><p>Ref: SNG Copenhagen 1324</p><p><br /></p><p>A question I meant to ask in another recent thread about a coin featuring a mask: Why <i><b>mask</b></i>? Why are these not just <b>heads</b>? In a <a href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/pan-mask.293915/" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/pan-mask.293915/">recent thread showing some Roman Republican coins featuring the "mask" of Pan</a>, the only thing I could figure was that his neck was not engraved. Does that make it a mask rather than a head? Was there some tradition of people wearing masks of Silenus (and Pan) back in the day?</p><p><br /></p><p>My first Silenus "mask" (and first coin other than some uncleaned dregs) was this Corinth stater. I've always wondered why it is described as a mask rather than facing head:</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cointalk.com%2Fproxy.php%3Fimage%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fstatic.wixstatic.com%252Fmedia%252Fae43f8_42c0f54cecdb4e0da9e47cd1703546b2%257Emv2.jpg%252Fv1%252Ffill%252Fw_1000%252Ch_625%252Cal_c%252Cq_90%252Fae43f8_42c0f54cecdb4e0da9e47cd1703546b2%257Emv2.jpg%26hash%3D1ca0643e4b9946ae6b3be1ff95f7ab1f&hash=f7b7c3a7ca632b41aeb888fc2a0ea19a" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><b>CORINTHIA, Corinth</b></p><p>345-307 BCE</p><p>AR stater, 8.65 gm</p><p>Obv Pegasus flying left, qoppa below</p><p>Rev: helmeted head of Athena left wearing necklace; mask of Silenus behind</p><p>Ref: Ravel 1046. Calciati 408. Scarce variety.</p><p>from Heritage Auctions, June 2013</p><p><i>This scarce variety was chosen to represent Corinth staters, #23 in Harlan J. Berk's book, "100 Greatest Ancient Coins".</i></p><p><br /></p><p>Here's one that is unquestionably a mask-- it is being worn:</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/ionia-phokaia-elhekte-silenosmask-rt-jpg.486138/" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><b>IONIA, Phokaia</b></p><p>EL hekte, 11 mm, 2.5 gm</p><p>c. 478-387BCE</p><p>Obv: head of young male left, wearing Silenos mask on top of head; to right, small seal downward</p><p>Rev: quadripartite incuse square.</p><p>Ref: Bodenstedt Em. 70; SNG von Aulock –; Boston MFA –; BMC 43</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/ionia-phokaia-elhekte-rotated-tif-jpg.486139/" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" />[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="TIF, post: 2703550, member: 56859"]I love these creepy coins! Mine: [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cointalk.com%2Fproxy.php%3Fimage%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fwww.cointalk.com%252Fproxy.php%253Fimage%253Dhttps%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.cointalk.com%25252Fproxy.php%25253Fimage%25253Dhttps%2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fstatic.wixstatic.com%2525252Fmedia%2525252Fae43f8_c2531bf482334eedb37350c8988118fd.jpg%2525252Fv1%2525252Ffill%2525252Fw_960%2525252Ch_476%2525252Cal_c%2525252Clg_1%2525252Cq_90%2525252Fae43f8_c2531bf482334eedb37350c8988118fd.jpg%252526hash%25253D6f88fb7063477b72db9df3f5e1641465%2526hash%253D576d25d12ab9fcd9bdc3ef63be169b7e%26hash%3Deb58ecdee9ec701d73db058872dcc9e7&hash=f68c5642415d1c68762bd4451ca37a2f[/IMG] [B]MACEDON, under Roman rule[/B] c. 166-165 BCE AE, 20 x 22 mm, 9.5 gm Obv: Facing mask of Silenus, wearing ivy wreath Rev: MAKE ΔONΩN legend In two lines; D above; all within ivy wreath Ref: SNG Copenhagen 1324 A question I meant to ask in another recent thread about a coin featuring a mask: Why [I][B]mask[/B][/I]? Why are these not just [B]heads[/B]? In a [URL='https://www.cointalk.com/threads/pan-mask.293915/']recent thread showing some Roman Republican coins featuring the "mask" of Pan[/URL], the only thing I could figure was that his neck was not engraved. Does that make it a mask rather than a head? Was there some tradition of people wearing masks of Silenus (and Pan) back in the day? My first Silenus "mask" (and first coin other than some uncleaned dregs) was this Corinth stater. I've always wondered why it is described as a mask rather than facing head: [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cointalk.com%2Fproxy.php%3Fimage%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fstatic.wixstatic.com%252Fmedia%252Fae43f8_42c0f54cecdb4e0da9e47cd1703546b2%257Emv2.jpg%252Fv1%252Ffill%252Fw_1000%252Ch_625%252Cal_c%252Cq_90%252Fae43f8_42c0f54cecdb4e0da9e47cd1703546b2%257Emv2.jpg%26hash%3D1ca0643e4b9946ae6b3be1ff95f7ab1f&hash=f7b7c3a7ca632b41aeb888fc2a0ea19a[/IMG] [B]CORINTHIA, Corinth[/B] 345-307 BCE AR stater, 8.65 gm Obv Pegasus flying left, qoppa below Rev: helmeted head of Athena left wearing necklace; mask of Silenus behind Ref: Ravel 1046. Calciati 408. Scarce variety. from Heritage Auctions, June 2013 [I]This scarce variety was chosen to represent Corinth staters, #23 in Harlan J. Berk's book, "100 Greatest Ancient Coins".[/I] Here's one that is unquestionably a mask-- it is being worn: [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/ionia-phokaia-elhekte-silenosmask-rt-jpg.486138/[/IMG] [B]IONIA, Phokaia[/B] EL hekte, 11 mm, 2.5 gm c. 478-387BCE Obv: head of young male left, wearing Silenos mask on top of head; to right, small seal downward Rev: quadripartite incuse square. Ref: Bodenstedt Em. 70; SNG von Aulock –; Boston MFA –; BMC 43 [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/ionia-phokaia-elhekte-rotated-tif-jpg.486139/[/IMG][/QUOTE]
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