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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;+VGO.DVCKS, post: 7964267, member: 110504&quot;]First, if you haven&#039;t yet, you should look at what&#039;s only the latest thread here on Roman camp gates: <a href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/constantine-campgate.387862/" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/constantine-campgate.387862/">https://www.cointalk.com/threads/constantine-campgate.387862/</a>.</p><p>Meanwhile, here&#039;s an example, cribbed from ACSearch.&nbsp; Not having collected LRBs since the &#039;70&#039;s, the ones I used to have have found a good home.&nbsp; (...One can hope.)</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1380823[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=3710350" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=3710350" rel="nofollow">https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=3710350</a></p><p><br /></p><p>I finally landed a denier of Charles the Bald, grandson of Charlemagne, imitating the reverse motif.&nbsp; (Yup, dealer&#039;s pictures --I could take better ones, but it would take an extra life.)*</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1380821[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Carolingian Francia.&nbsp; Charles II, the Bald, King of the West Franks 840-877.</p><p>Denier of Orleans, prior to the reform following the Edict of Pitres, 864.</p><p>Obv.&nbsp; Cross, with pellets in each corner (corresponding to issues of Charles&#039;s dad, Louis I, 814-840).&nbsp; +CAROLVS REX FR</p><p>Rev.&nbsp; A Freaking Late Roman Camp Gate, just half a millenium later.&nbsp; (From 6 o&#039;clock: )</p><p>+AVRE [...] LI [...] ANIS (Orleans).&nbsp; Depeyrot (3rd ed., 2008) No. 725 (pp. 327-9, for illustrations).</p><p>This is one instance, in the earlier phases of the medieval period, when you have to suspect that hoards were being found on a more or less regular basis.&nbsp; By contrast, you could suppose that even the amazing stuff that detectorists are finding now represents the (relatively) higher-hanging fruit.&nbsp; ...Yes, coins were also circulating continuously, over comparable, improbable intervals (on a commensurately anecdotal scale), but, Uh-Uh, hoards were a big thing as early as this.&nbsp; As someone here noted recently, one of them got Richard I of England killed.</p><p>The Carolingian gate motif went on to be imitated in Orleans during the early 11th century.&nbsp; (Again, Yep, with the dealer&#039;s pics; from French ebay.)</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1380841[/ATTACH]</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1380842[/ATTACH]</p><p>Viscounty of Orleans (within the early Capetian royal demesne). Anonymous denier, traditionally attributed to Hugues (d.1025), a son of the Capetian Robert II of France (reigned 996-1031).</p><p>Obv.&nbsp; City gate; letters in field, from left: &quot;H;&quot; &quot;V&quot; (lower), &quot;G&quot; (retrograde; right), &quot;O&quot; (top, puncutuated by &#039;turrets&#039; of the gate, as in both the preceding examples).</p><p>Rev.&nbsp; Cross; +AVRF[/E]LANIS CIVTAS (&#039;City of Orleans&#039;).</p><p>Duplessy 522, with minor legend variants, typical of the period.</p><p>Not least in reference to the earlier phases of the medieval period, it&#039;s fun to speculate, not only about the recurrence of late Classical motifs on coins (for instance, sceattas --please see [USER=100731]@Roerbakmix[/USER]&#039;s recent thread,</p><p><a href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/barbarian-ae-stylistic-similarities-with-sceattas.387944/#post-7961403" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/barbarian-ae-stylistic-similarities-with-sceattas.387944/#post-7961403">https://www.cointalk.com/threads/barbarian-ae-stylistic-similarities-with-sceattas.387944/#post-7961403</a> and [USER=109923]@John Conduitt[/USER]&#039;s,</p><p><a href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/the-value-of-provenance-tony-abramsons-dark-age-coins-part-2.387272/#post-7957091" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/the-value-of-provenance-tony-abramsons-dark-age-coins-part-2.387272/#post-7957091">https://www.cointalk.com/threads/the-value-of-provenance-tony-abramsons-dark-age-coins-part-2.387272/#post-7957091</a>), but the way in which people subjectively related to history in their own (thank you, for us, historical) periods.&nbsp; --One thing you get to know about people is that, at least in any context prior to social media --and, Maybe, Massive, Toxic waves of inbreeding-- they weren&#039;t&nbsp; dumb.&nbsp; Illiterate?&nbsp; Often.&nbsp; Dumb?&nbsp; Not So Much.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>*For anyone paying this much attention, Cgb.fr. continues to have a fantastic archive of their prior sales ...but in recent years, they&#039;ve walked away from their earlier concentration in medieval, notably Carolingian and French feudal.&nbsp; As if their expert in that field --broad as it is-- is no longer with them.&nbsp; I hope for the best; maybe retirement.</p><p>But in consequence, it eventualy landed on me to look at what they still had in their online shop ...with old-fashioned prices.&nbsp; This was one of them.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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