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<p>[QUOTE="savitale, post: 10684677, member: 95284"]I agree that fault, if any is to be found, rests largely with the public media who publish click-bait stories for revenue generation. However, the authors do have a responsibility to keep that sort of thing in-check by writing responsible manuscripts. It is important to consider that this work was submitted for publication to a scientific journal, which casts an aura of scientific credibility, and “justifies” the above click-bait. I see three questions the article proports to answer, only one of which belongs in a science journal:</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><i>1. Was the Sponsian coin produced in the 3rd century or is it a relatively recent 17/18th century fantasy piece?</i></p><p><br /></p><p>This is a very good question and it can be tested against the scientific data. Materials analysis may not be up to the task of arriving at a definitive answer but it can certainly add to stylistic, literary, and other forms of evidence to allow one to draw a conclusion.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><i>2. Was Sponsian a real historical figure?</i></p><p><br /></p><p>This is not a good question to ask of the science data. Maybe if you had ancient DNA on the coin or something like that, but not a coin by itself devoid of archaeological context. Here the authors leave the scientific arena and move into a different realm. Arguments on either side of this question belong in a book, a blog, a forum, or a humanities journal where scientific support is not assumed. Alternatively I suppose one could argue that PLOS One is not a scientific journal but they seem to advertise that they hold to scientific standards. </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><i>3. Is Sponsian a lost Roman Emperor?</i></p><p><br /></p><p>Again this cannot be answered by the science data available and doesn’t belong in a science journal with its perceived aura of credibility. My personal feeling is that even if the coins were produced in the 3rd century and Sponsian was a real person, he was not a Roman Emperor in a meaningful let’s-alert-the-BBC sense but instead a military official of minor consequence on the outskirts of the Roman world. Others may hold a different view, which is fine. But either way PLOS One did no favors to its scientific credibility by publishing that conclusion drawn from the reported evidence.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>In my opinion using materials analysis as employed in this paper is wholly appropriate for the first question, but given the limitations of the material evidence it degrades into pseudo-science for the latter two.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="savitale, post: 10684677, member: 95284"]I agree that fault, if any is to be found, rests largely with the public media who publish click-bait stories for revenue generation. However, the authors do have a responsibility to keep that sort of thing in-check by writing responsible manuscripts. It is important to consider that this work was submitted for publication to a scientific journal, which casts an aura of scientific credibility, and “justifies” the above click-bait. I see three questions the article proports to answer, only one of which belongs in a science journal: [I]1. Was the Sponsian coin produced in the 3rd century or is it a relatively recent 17/18th century fantasy piece?[/I] This is a very good question and it can be tested against the scientific data. Materials analysis may not be up to the task of arriving at a definitive answer but it can certainly add to stylistic, literary, and other forms of evidence to allow one to draw a conclusion. [I]2. Was Sponsian a real historical figure?[/I] This is not a good question to ask of the science data. Maybe if you had ancient DNA on the coin or something like that, but not a coin by itself devoid of archaeological context. Here the authors leave the scientific arena and move into a different realm. Arguments on either side of this question belong in a book, a blog, a forum, or a humanities journal where scientific support is not assumed. Alternatively I suppose one could argue that PLOS One is not a scientific journal but they seem to advertise that they hold to scientific standards. [I]3. Is Sponsian a lost Roman Emperor?[/I] Again this cannot be answered by the science data available and doesn’t belong in a science journal with its perceived aura of credibility. My personal feeling is that even if the coins were produced in the 3rd century and Sponsian was a real person, he was not a Roman Emperor in a meaningful let’s-alert-the-BBC sense but instead a military official of minor consequence on the outskirts of the Roman world. Others may hold a different view, which is fine. But either way PLOS One did no favors to its scientific credibility by publishing that conclusion drawn from the reported evidence. In my opinion using materials analysis as employed in this paper is wholly appropriate for the first question, but given the limitations of the material evidence it degrades into pseudo-science for the latter two.[/QUOTE]
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