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<p>[QUOTE="Clawcoins, post: 3427334, member: 77814"]check with a lawyer, but what is the deception?</p><p>it is still an original dime.</p><p>someone was not trying to "convert" it in order to deceive someone in thinking it is a quarter.</p><p><br /></p><p>Here is the murky area where the "deception" was to a collector who values it above face value. Versus it's actual value before and after "alteration" is still 10 cents for "commerce" which is clearly stipulated in the law.</p><p><br /></p><p>This requires lawyer speak and lawyer interpretation. Interpreting the laws with a bias towards a "coin collector" who values coins above face value may not be the intent of the laws. Although, I have no idea.</p><p><br /></p><p>but the law .. to copy it here from your post ...</p><p>for introduction into or distribution in <b>commerce</b>, or the sale in <b>commerce </b>of any imitation numismatic item which is not plainly and permanently marked "copy", is unlawful and is an unfair or deceptive act or practice in <b>commerce</b></p><p><br /></p><p>"in commerce" can be the deciding factor. His dime is not "imitation"</p><p>So a dime is still worth 10 cents, and if it's an original dime, though altered it is still worth 10 cents for commerce.</p><p><br /></p><p>But once we insert our biases into legal description, then we interpret and support our interpretation as we see fit for our purpose. We would have to search for legal precedent to get the concept and intent of the law. Since I am not a trial lawyer in this expertise I really have no further input as this is just a discussion, although to put it in support of your statement, someone's intent was fradulent in altering the dime (which can then throw us into the realm of CC type coins/tokens) and thus fradulent in selling it without proper disclosure for an intended deceptive purpose which was not for commerce.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Clawcoins, post: 3427334, member: 77814"]check with a lawyer, but what is the deception? it is still an original dime. someone was not trying to "convert" it in order to deceive someone in thinking it is a quarter. Here is the murky area where the "deception" was to a collector who values it above face value. Versus it's actual value before and after "alteration" is still 10 cents for "commerce" which is clearly stipulated in the law. This requires lawyer speak and lawyer interpretation. Interpreting the laws with a bias towards a "coin collector" who values coins above face value may not be the intent of the laws. Although, I have no idea. but the law .. to copy it here from your post ... for introduction into or distribution in [B]commerce[/B], or the sale in [B]commerce [/B]of any imitation numismatic item which is not plainly and permanently marked "copy", is unlawful and is an unfair or deceptive act or practice in [B]commerce[/B] "in commerce" can be the deciding factor. His dime is not "imitation" So a dime is still worth 10 cents, and if it's an original dime, though altered it is still worth 10 cents for commerce. But once we insert our biases into legal description, then we interpret and support our interpretation as we see fit for our purpose. We would have to search for legal precedent to get the concept and intent of the law. Since I am not a trial lawyer in this expertise I really have no further input as this is just a discussion, although to put it in support of your statement, someone's intent was fradulent in altering the dime (which can then throw us into the realm of CC type coins/tokens) and thus fradulent in selling it without proper disclosure for an intended deceptive purpose which was not for commerce.[/QUOTE]
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