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<p>[QUOTE="Ryro, post: 6229160, member: 91461"]Went all in on a coin type I've desired for years now.</p><p>Having gone through all examples in AC search, all sales on CNG, wilwinds etc. I do not believe there is a more desirable example of this coin type than my fantastic new RR<img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie33" alt=":cigar:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />. If you have one or can find one I'd LOVE to see it.</p><p>The coin tells the tale of the last gasp of life from one of the most dominant peoples in history, until Rome came and "ate the whole thing".</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1246299[/ATTACH]</p><p>(Note the "tip of the hat" to the Greek monogram in the wonderful ROMA monogram behind Philly five's head)</p><p>L. MARCIUS PHILIPPUS. Denarius (112 or 113 BC). Rome.</p><p>Obv: Head of Philip V of Macedon right, wearing diademed royal Macedonian helmet with goat horns; Roma monogram to upper left, Φ to lower right.</p><p>Rev: L PHILIPPVS .</p><p>Equestrian statue right; mark of value in exergue. Crawford 293/1. VF 3.99 g. 19 mm. Ex Numismatik Naumann</p><p>Purchased Jan/2021</p><p><br /></p><p>The obverse shows a Roman depiction of the last truly great Macedonian King, Philip V...wearing a comically small pair of ram's horns<img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie46" alt=":facepalm:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1246310[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Philip V was known as dynamic, energetic, both physically and mentally, as well was known for being extremely handsome. How could I not relate to such a kindred spirit?<img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie6" alt=":cool:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p>You may debate that his son Perseus had a pair, but stood no chance.</p><p>This is what the type of helmet, Rome during the republic is satirizing, actually looked like:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1246303[/ATTACH]</p><p>Tryphon, Diodotus</p><p>Antioch, 141 BCE, AE 18mm, 4.7g</p><p>Obvs: Head of Tryphon right diademed.</p><p>Revs: BAΣΙΛEΩΣ TPYФΩNOΣ AYTOKPATOPOΣ, Spiked Macedonian helmet. Grain to left</p><p>Order # G 139</p><p>SC 2034.2b Ex:Savoca</p><p><br /></p><p>But Rome was always proud of getting to conquer Macedon, despite having supposedly, "never fought an unprovoked war. "</p><p>They would boast that they would have beaten Alexander if he turned west instead of east.</p><p>I just don't see it. A bunch of part time warrior farmers beating a more perfect killing machine than the world had ever seen to that point, in Philip II's innovations in war fare.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1246317[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>With all of Philip II's grizzled generals and veteran soldiers<img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie58" alt=":jimlad:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />. Alexander couldn't lose and Rome=<img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie40" alt=":dead:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1246316[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Here the scoundrels are running over the greatest shield type of all time<img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie9" alt=":eek:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1246304[/ATTACH]</p><p>T. Quinctius Flamininus, 126 BCE, AR denarius. Rome, 3.91g, 18mm.</p><p>Obv: Helmeted bust of Roma right; flamen's cap behind; XVI ligate below chin</p><p>Rev: The Dioscuri riding right, each holding a couched lance, stars above; Macedonian shield between T-Q below; ROMA in exergue.</p><p>Crawford 267/1</p><p>The key feature of the type – the Macedonian shield on the reverse – is very clear on this example.</p><p>Issued by a descendant of the more famous Flamininus, a philhellene who prosecuted the second Macedonian War against Philip V and proclaimed freedom for Greece.</p><p>Ex: AMCC 2 consigned by Caesar_Augustus</p><p><br /></p><p>Philip had some lovely coins of his own:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1246343[/ATTACH]</p><p>Philip V, 221-179 BC. Hemiobol (Bronze, 17 mm, 5.01 g, 12 h), circa 186-183/2 BC. Macedonian shield with whorl/six crescents in boss. Rev. BA ΦI (I curiously missing, possible VERY unique type) around club. Mamroth, Bronzemünzen 16. SNG Kikpe 450. SNG München 1169-71. Well centered, pleasant green patina. Very fine. Ex: Savoca</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1246348[/ATTACH]</p><p>Philip V</p><p>Bottiaiai (Spartolos) AR Pentobol. Circa 185-168 BC. Macedonian shield / Prow of galley right, on which BOTTEATΩN, ΘΕ below. BMC Macedonia p. 64, 3; SNG Evelpidis 1207. 1.32g, 12.73mm.</p><p>Good Very Fine.</p><p>This type was struck by Philip V of Macedon on behalf of the Bottiaeans. BMC Macedonia 3 type</p><p>A nice example but crystalized and broken</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1246354[/ATTACH]</p><p>Philip V and Perseus. Ca. 221-168 B.C.E</p><p>Macedonian Kingdom. AE unit (17.1 mm, 6.07 g, 12 h). Uncertain Macedonian mint. Macedonian shield, star with spiral in center boss / M-K, ΔONΩN, Macedonian helmet with cheek guards, BA monogram below. SNG Alpha Bank -; SNG Cop -; McClean 3666. VF. Rare.</p><p><br /></p><p>Oh, and he had non shield coins as well. But who collects those<img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie2" alt=";)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1246355[/ATTACH]</p><p>Philip V</p><p>Æ Unit. Circa 211-197 BCE Head of Zeus r., wearing wreath of oak leaves / Athena standing r., holding spear and shield; in r. field, thunderbolt. Mamroth, Bronzemünzen 11a; SNG Alpha Bank 1075. 3.46g, 16mm, 4h. Good Very Fine, chocolate brown patina.</p><p><br /></p><p>Whoops! It's Macedonian and has a shield as well<img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie85" alt=":smuggrin:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>I would love to see your Philip V coins, Roman Republic coins, coins of yours that you believe are best examples you've seen, shield coins ALWAYS WELCOME, thoughts are appreciated more when accompanied by coins and anything else that brings enlightenment<img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Ryro, post: 6229160, member: 91461"]Went all in on a coin type I've desired for years now. Having gone through all examples in AC search, all sales on CNG, wilwinds etc. I do not believe there is a more desirable example of this coin type than my fantastic new RR:cigar:. If you have one or can find one I'd LOVE to see it. The coin tells the tale of the last gasp of life from one of the most dominant peoples in history, until Rome came and "ate the whole thing". [ATTACH=full]1246299[/ATTACH] (Note the "tip of the hat" to the Greek monogram in the wonderful ROMA monogram behind Philly five's head) L. MARCIUS PHILIPPUS. Denarius (112 or 113 BC). Rome. Obv: Head of Philip V of Macedon right, wearing diademed royal Macedonian helmet with goat horns; Roma monogram to upper left, Φ to lower right. Rev: L PHILIPPVS . Equestrian statue right; mark of value in exergue. Crawford 293/1. VF 3.99 g. 19 mm. Ex Numismatik Naumann Purchased Jan/2021 The obverse shows a Roman depiction of the last truly great Macedonian King, Philip V...wearing a comically small pair of ram's horns:facepalm: [ATTACH=full]1246310[/ATTACH] Philip V was known as dynamic, energetic, both physically and mentally, as well was known for being extremely handsome. How could I not relate to such a kindred spirit?:cool: You may debate that his son Perseus had a pair, but stood no chance. This is what the type of helmet, Rome during the republic is satirizing, actually looked like: [ATTACH=full]1246303[/ATTACH] Tryphon, Diodotus Antioch, 141 BCE, AE 18mm, 4.7g Obvs: Head of Tryphon right diademed. Revs: BAΣΙΛEΩΣ TPYФΩNOΣ AYTOKPATOPOΣ, Spiked Macedonian helmet. Grain to left Order # G 139 SC 2034.2b Ex:Savoca But Rome was always proud of getting to conquer Macedon, despite having supposedly, "never fought an unprovoked war. " They would boast that they would have beaten Alexander if he turned west instead of east. I just don't see it. A bunch of part time warrior farmers beating a more perfect killing machine than the world had ever seen to that point, in Philip II's innovations in war fare. [ATTACH=full]1246317[/ATTACH] With all of Philip II's grizzled generals and veteran soldiers:jimlad:. Alexander couldn't lose and Rome=:dead: [ATTACH=full]1246316[/ATTACH] Here the scoundrels are running over the greatest shield type of all time:eek: [ATTACH=full]1246304[/ATTACH] T. Quinctius Flamininus, 126 BCE, AR denarius. Rome, 3.91g, 18mm. Obv: Helmeted bust of Roma right; flamen's cap behind; XVI ligate below chin Rev: The Dioscuri riding right, each holding a couched lance, stars above; Macedonian shield between T-Q below; ROMA in exergue. Crawford 267/1 The key feature of the type – the Macedonian shield on the reverse – is very clear on this example. Issued by a descendant of the more famous Flamininus, a philhellene who prosecuted the second Macedonian War against Philip V and proclaimed freedom for Greece. Ex: AMCC 2 consigned by Caesar_Augustus Philip had some lovely coins of his own: [ATTACH=full]1246343[/ATTACH] Philip V, 221-179 BC. Hemiobol (Bronze, 17 mm, 5.01 g, 12 h), circa 186-183/2 BC. Macedonian shield with whorl/six crescents in boss. Rev. BA ΦI (I curiously missing, possible VERY unique type) around club. Mamroth, Bronzemünzen 16. SNG Kikpe 450. SNG München 1169-71. Well centered, pleasant green patina. Very fine. Ex: Savoca [ATTACH=full]1246348[/ATTACH] Philip V Bottiaiai (Spartolos) AR Pentobol. Circa 185-168 BC. Macedonian shield / Prow of galley right, on which BOTTEATΩN, ΘΕ below. BMC Macedonia p. 64, 3; SNG Evelpidis 1207. 1.32g, 12.73mm. Good Very Fine. This type was struck by Philip V of Macedon on behalf of the Bottiaeans. BMC Macedonia 3 type A nice example but crystalized and broken [ATTACH=full]1246354[/ATTACH] Philip V and Perseus. Ca. 221-168 B.C.E Macedonian Kingdom. AE unit (17.1 mm, 6.07 g, 12 h). Uncertain Macedonian mint. Macedonian shield, star with spiral in center boss / M-K, ΔONΩN, Macedonian helmet with cheek guards, BA monogram below. SNG Alpha Bank -; SNG Cop -; McClean 3666. VF. Rare. Oh, and he had non shield coins as well. But who collects those;) [ATTACH=full]1246355[/ATTACH] Philip V Æ Unit. Circa 211-197 BCE Head of Zeus r., wearing wreath of oak leaves / Athena standing r., holding spear and shield; in r. field, thunderbolt. Mamroth, Bronzemünzen 11a; SNG Alpha Bank 1075. 3.46g, 16mm, 4h. Good Very Fine, chocolate brown patina. Whoops! It's Macedonian and has a shield as well:smuggrin: I would love to see your Philip V coins, Roman Republic coins, coins of yours that you believe are best examples you've seen, shield coins ALWAYS WELCOME, thoughts are appreciated more when accompanied by coins and anything else that brings enlightenment:)[/QUOTE]
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