The King is dead. Long live the King.

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by SuperDave, Mar 8, 2016.

  1. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    And what did I do that was 'sociably unacceptable'? Pull my pants down? :)
     
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  3. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    This one was about eddiespin, not you. You guys just don't seem to realize that words mean very_different_things when void of the context of personal presence. It's like a form of tone-deafness or color-blindness, and a pretty common one if the Internet at large is any indication.

    You gotta choose your words more carefully when nobody can see you. This is one of the causes of newbies who only last one thread here and at other fora (across all types of them; CT is hardly unique) - they either communicate that way themselves and are immediately accused of trolling, or aren't "hardened" to people who don't understand how much context matters and leave in a huff after exploding.
     
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  4. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    I agree Dave. Words can be sharp weapons, but none of that was my intent........
     
  5. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    And heck.......I don't see no newbees in this thread.
     
  6. heavycam.monstervam

    heavycam.monstervam Outlaw Trucker & Coin Hillbilly

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  7. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    I don't believe for a minute that either of you have a malicious bone in your bodies. :)
     
  8. Dave Waterstraat

    Dave Waterstraat Well-Known Member

    I saw a flurry of activity on this thread since I posted and thought it might be about the coin...
     
  9. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    What are you trying to do, ruin my bad reputation? ;)
     
  10. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    Let me ask you something, Dave. I'm writing words and you're hearing tones. Did it ever occur to you to just read the words? Here they are, again: "Prove it. Just show one with two in that cluster." There's nothing in those words that's offensive, is there? But they nonetheless draw offense because somebody is hearing things. Oh, brilliant. As though political correctness isn't enough of a chill on free speech, now we have voices emotionally-sensitive people are hearing we have to align our speech with.

    Do you know what? You're starting to sound like Hillary, Dave. I'd be worried... ;)
     
  11. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    Easy Goer. ;)

     
  12. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    The fact that you didn't understand what I said kind of proves the point. It's not like this is my original thinking; any time you want to go out and learn about social and conversational cues, and what happens when they're not present, you can do it without my involvement. There's a large body of clinical research on the topic.
     
  13. heavycam.monstervam

    heavycam.monstervam Outlaw Trucker & Coin Hillbilly

    I wholeheartedly agree with Dave, I felt I was being called a liar. At which point I didn't appreciate it. When someone says prove it, show just one, to me, that means the person is pretty darn confident it can't proven. I've seen it here quite a few times..... Then on top of that, you called me emotionally-sensitive, thanks for the diagnosis Dr Phil, but no thanks. That was rather insulting as well. I'm from the other side of the tracks my friend, were not cut from the same cloth, me thinks.
    I've never had any run-ins with you b4 , I generally found you to be respectful and quite knowledgeable. The quicker we shake hands and agree to disagree the better imho.
    Let's call it a mistake on both our part, we are human after all......
     
  14. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    I understand how you took it, and why, and that it was a plausible way to take it. It's when these things escalate that's the real problem. Thanks for understanding that, and for letting me off the hook.

    I'm eating crow, now. You know that, don't you? I've never seen one like that. I'll tell you, though, this is the first time in my life I've ever been wrong. Ah, lol.
     
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  15. dwhiz

    dwhiz Collector Supporter

    1921 VAM-1 001a-horz.jpg
    Hey I got 2 berries. So does that change the VAM, I would look but I'm getting ready to go my granddaughters soccer game 1921 VAM-1z 001.JPG 1921 VAM-1 002aa.JPG
     
  16. heavycam.monstervam

    heavycam.monstervam Outlaw Trucker & Coin Hillbilly

    That is correct, your coin probably has a dot next to the base of the 1, which is why Anacs attributed it as a Vam 1.
    '21 Morgan's are a Bear to Vam, we would need closeups of the upper tailfeather area(scribble zone) to perform this task, as I can't see any small details in your images, so it will make it that much harder
     
  17. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    An important consideration with this particular coin (and attribution) is that a significant percentage of 1921 VAMs - the large majority of them - have been designated since it was slabbed. "VAM-1" is the generic designation for an as-yet undesignated 17-berry D1 reverse, just like "VAM-3" serves for the 16-berry D2.

    It's very likely been designated in the years since, but as opposed to trying to attribute it I would suggest you'd more enjoy removing your own wisdom teeth.
     
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  18. dwhiz

    dwhiz Collector Supporter

    Is this of any help 21 Vam 1 2.jpg 21 Vam 1 1.jpg
     
  19. heavycam.monstervam

    heavycam.monstervam Outlaw Trucker & Coin Hillbilly

    I don't know what app that is, but its pretty cool to say the least.... We(haha must be a mouse in my pocket) would need the area that the hand is covering in that picture... Just above the branches/arrow shaft intersection. To begin this quest.....
    I was hoping superdave would pick up the slack here if I couldn't figure it out, but I guess he's not up to the challenge:troll:
     
  20. heavycam.monstervam

    heavycam.monstervam Outlaw Trucker & Coin Hillbilly

    That's what I wanted to say, but didn't know how to word it correctly... Messy desk taught me this lesson a few years back when I was trying to figure out why SEGS would label a vam 1 as a so-called zerbe die....
     
  21. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    Oh, I'm up to it if there are scribbles and the images are good enough, but it's not for the faint of heart or a less-obsessive personality. If it's on VAMworld, I will find it, although I have one of my usual 15-mile walks planned for this afternoon which will take up a few hours.
     
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