The Kibotoi of Apameia

Wow, cyrrhus, that's a mighty admirable set! I think Mat just posted the Augustus one a couple of days ago.

 

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I only have this ancient Greek coin of Apameia. It figures Tyche on obverse, with Athena holding Nike on reverse.

 

got that one also) better example and one with a Elephant !!

 

He your is different them mine, I have one with Athena !!
See pictures of a few more.
And what about the Augustus with the Meander river symbol on the reverse !!

 

Those are indeed great coins, Cyrrhus, but not all Apameias are created equal. The coin with elephant is the Apameia of Seleucis and Pieria, Syria. Apameia ad Maeandrum was founded by Antiochus I, named after his mother Apama. Apamea Syria was founded by Seleucus I, named after his wife, Apama. (It was a fortress at which he stabled 500 elephants!)

 

oooo sorry, I know there are three cities called like this, that what you have a lot, common names.
Maybe a nice new topic? How many Seleucis are there?

 

The Seleucids were ornery about using the same name over and over. Probably Laodicea is the most overused: Laodicea on the Lycus, Laodicea Pontica, Laodicea Combusta, Laodicea ad Libanum, Laodicea ad Mare, Laodicea (Arcadia), Laodicea (Mesopotamia), Laodicea in Media, not to mention Beirut was once Laodicea in Phoenicia.

But in that sense, they were no different than we are today. There are 41 cities in the US named Springfield.

 

fantastic John !!

 

Another Apameia, from another city....Tigris?
Now I have to prepare myself for my bike ride tomorrow after work !! have a nice evening !!

 

Here's the coin in question. Nice brassy surfaces and a little on the heavy side

8.77g
23.9mm

 

=> well, I certainly "love" your coin's eye-appeal!! (it's yummy, iamtiberius)

Here are the stats associated with my sweetie:

Phrygia, Apameia AE20
Date: 100-50 BC
Diameter: 20.5 mm
Weight: 7.7 grams
Obverse: Helmeted head of Athena.
Reverse: Eagle between pilei



oh, and here is that same link that I posted on page-1 (it has several diameter and weight references)

https://cngcoins.com/Search.aspx?PAGE_NUM=&PAGE=1&TABS_TYPE=1&CONTAINER_TYPE_ID=2&IS_ADVANCED=1&ITEM_DESC=Phrygia Apameia eagle&ITEM_IS_SOLD=1&SEARCH_IN_CONTAINER_TYPE_ID_1=1&SEARCH_IN_CONTAINER_TYPE_ID_3=1&SEARCH_IN_CONTAINER_TYPE_ID_2=1

NOTE => I would "not" worry about your coin's weight, for I merely glanced at the coin-shop tab and noticed that their examples ranged from 7.3 grams through 9.7 grams!! (your sweet example fits perfectly into the ol' mix, my friend)

whatever you do => do "not" listen to JA

 

You're right - questionable it is. The weight is a little too high, the style is off, and the color is brassy. Even if it was authentic and over-cleaned, it should have a more coppery look. I would guess it was a tourist token of some sort.

 

I've only seen 1 other example that has the same coloring. It was in a forum member's gallery. I bought this at a coin show in Oceanside from an individual who specialized in american colonials. I'll never see that $40 again. haha

 

Don't take my word for it, post it at FORVM.

 

I have had it in my questionable folder for about 6 years now. But, there seems to be some others just as heavy/heavier
http://cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=114697

 

Yeah, the range on these is so big, I'm guessing there had to be two denominations. That one looks brassy too, so it might have been the alloy they were using. I'm going to make the bold assertion that I am unequivocally and resolutely on the fence about this one.

 

The one in this CNG lot has the same coloring as yours too:
http://cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=35607

I recall reading a paper that stated that this particular issue from Apameia was struck in brass... I'll see if I can locate the paper again. The smaller denominations had different types (Zeus/Artemis, Tyche/Pan, and I believe one other) and were struck in bronze.

I don't think yours is outside of the median weight range, though as JA mentioned the range was quite wide. Some in CNG's sale records, in Spinal Tap fashion, go all the way "up to eleven" .

 

Here's the paper:
http://www.pontos.dk/publications/books/bss-9-files/bss-9-14-smekalova

I'm seeing now that there's just one short para (bottom of page 5) that talks about the Apameian issues, but the whole paper was an interesting read.

 

Just arrive today a new one: Vespasian Apameia, Plancius Varus !!

 

Hey, good read man. Thank you!