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<p>[QUOTE="treylxapi47, post: 1989960, member: 41863"]Im sorry CatBert but my sentiment still stands. I was trying to be nice how I worded it, but I sincerely believe that many of the older guys, and this isnt necessarily an age barrier, but a mentality barrier as well, just dont like the fact that folks like, Vic, Geek, and myself can come onto the coin scene and successfully purchase coins with a similar savvy without having to put in 20 years of handling coins and reading books. </p><p><br /></p><p>In the old days you had to read books and talk to dealers and fondle many coins to be able to know which ones were good and what the surviving population might be. Many of us new collectors can see a coin that interests us or that we like at a show and can immediately compare prices across 5 or more examples without moving another step. </p><p><br /></p><p>So when I say these older folks have a vested interest, its because they spent alot of time, money, and effort learning about the hobby over several years and the newer generation can catch up to some of that (not all) in a much shorter amount of time. </p><p><br /></p><p>I will be the first to admit that the wisest of collectors will utilize all that is available to them and not simply stick to one method or over look things because it might be a little difficult. </p><p><br /></p><p>I just dont think you will convince me that the majority of the older collectors and many of the dealers out there dont envy some of us new guys for being able to hold our own when dealing with them. </p><p><br /></p><p>Imagine this, I saunter up to your counter, right now I look like a knowledgeable fella, but put some glasses on me and a grungy t-shirt with my nose buried in an iphone and most dealers are going to assume I dont know squat about coins. So this dealer is likely to do several things, he may try to take advantage of me with high prices, and hes very likely to be authoritative since dealing coins is 'his job', and will try to be hard on his sell to get the most value out of me. Now imagine that geeky image of me, stepping up and letting that dealer know that he is wrong, his coin is over priced, and that if he wishes to sell it to me today he needs to be inline with the 4 other prices i flip my phone around and show him are available online. That dealer is going to feel like this young nerd just pulled one over on him, and it will hurt his ego. He may still make the sell depending on financials, but most older men would still feel a bruise to their ego over being shown up by someone mentally deemed to be inferior to that almighty dealer. </p><p><br /></p><p>Im a man, I hang around many different other men, and from what I observe we are the most fragile beings ever when it comes to someone making us feel less confident or bruising our ego. Sure my thought about the 'old timers' may be a generalized statement, but ive lived life long enough to know that most men are competitive and dont like being outdone, especially by the perceived underdog. </p><p><br /></p><p>Im sorry if i offended you with my 'old timers' remark, but like I said its more a mentality then a reference to age. </p><p><br /></p><p>I guarantee you the new age dealers and collectors would be less likely to take offense if someone showed them a better deal online, but then again that younger generation of dealer wouldve already checked online and priced their wares accordingly.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="treylxapi47, post: 1989960, member: 41863"]Im sorry CatBert but my sentiment still stands. I was trying to be nice how I worded it, but I sincerely believe that many of the older guys, and this isnt necessarily an age barrier, but a mentality barrier as well, just dont like the fact that folks like, Vic, Geek, and myself can come onto the coin scene and successfully purchase coins with a similar savvy without having to put in 20 years of handling coins and reading books. In the old days you had to read books and talk to dealers and fondle many coins to be able to know which ones were good and what the surviving population might be. Many of us new collectors can see a coin that interests us or that we like at a show and can immediately compare prices across 5 or more examples without moving another step. So when I say these older folks have a vested interest, its because they spent alot of time, money, and effort learning about the hobby over several years and the newer generation can catch up to some of that (not all) in a much shorter amount of time. I will be the first to admit that the wisest of collectors will utilize all that is available to them and not simply stick to one method or over look things because it might be a little difficult. I just dont think you will convince me that the majority of the older collectors and many of the dealers out there dont envy some of us new guys for being able to hold our own when dealing with them. Imagine this, I saunter up to your counter, right now I look like a knowledgeable fella, but put some glasses on me and a grungy t-shirt with my nose buried in an iphone and most dealers are going to assume I dont know squat about coins. So this dealer is likely to do several things, he may try to take advantage of me with high prices, and hes very likely to be authoritative since dealing coins is 'his job', and will try to be hard on his sell to get the most value out of me. Now imagine that geeky image of me, stepping up and letting that dealer know that he is wrong, his coin is over priced, and that if he wishes to sell it to me today he needs to be inline with the 4 other prices i flip my phone around and show him are available online. That dealer is going to feel like this young nerd just pulled one over on him, and it will hurt his ego. He may still make the sell depending on financials, but most older men would still feel a bruise to their ego over being shown up by someone mentally deemed to be inferior to that almighty dealer. Im a man, I hang around many different other men, and from what I observe we are the most fragile beings ever when it comes to someone making us feel less confident or bruising our ego. Sure my thought about the 'old timers' may be a generalized statement, but ive lived life long enough to know that most men are competitive and dont like being outdone, especially by the perceived underdog. Im sorry if i offended you with my 'old timers' remark, but like I said its more a mentality then a reference to age. I guarantee you the new age dealers and collectors would be less likely to take offense if someone showed them a better deal online, but then again that younger generation of dealer wouldve already checked online and priced their wares accordingly.[/QUOTE]
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