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<p>[QUOTE="Ryan McVay, post: 7304991, member: 117904"]Look at the original post. The two images of pottery show the knob. Usually its a bump above the eye. If you look at several of the Greek griffins you will see a similar bump above the eye. I sure wish I still had the image Patricia Lawrence shared with me of the bronze sculptors at the Louvre. I think it was the Louver. Anyway the discussion was centered around the "scrolls" you see on the Winged Carian coins. The scrolls also show up on the griffins (ons) if search the the Louvre database. <a href="https://collections.louvre.fr/en/ark:/53355/cl010251184" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://collections.louvre.fr/en/ark:/53355/cl010251184" rel="nofollow">https://collections.louvre.fr/en/ark:/53355/cl010251184</a></p><p><a href="https://collections.louvre.fr/en/ark:/53355/cl010261824" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://collections.louvre.fr/en/ark:/53355/cl010261824" rel="nofollow">https://collections.louvre.fr/en/ark:/53355/cl010261824</a></p><p><a href="https://collections.louvre.fr/en/ark:/53355/cl010264060" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://collections.louvre.fr/en/ark:/53355/cl010264060" rel="nofollow">https://collections.louvre.fr/en/ark:/53355/cl010264060</a></p><p><a href="https://collections.louvre.fr/en/ark:/53355/cl010293050" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://collections.louvre.fr/en/ark:/53355/cl010293050" rel="nofollow">https://collections.louvre.fr/en/ark:/53355/cl010293050</a>. Best example</p><p><a href="https://collections.louvre.fr/en/ark:/53355/cl010176696" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://collections.louvre.fr/en/ark:/53355/cl010176696" rel="nofollow">https://collections.louvre.fr/en/ark:/53355/cl010176696</a> Best example with scrolls / tendrils</p><p><a href="https://collections.louvre.fr/en/ark:/53355/cl010255410" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://collections.louvre.fr/en/ark:/53355/cl010255410" rel="nofollow">https://collections.louvre.fr/en/ark:/53355/cl010255410</a>. </p><p><a href="https://collections.louvre.fr/en/ark:/53355/cl010258342" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://collections.louvre.fr/en/ark:/53355/cl010258342" rel="nofollow">https://collections.louvre.fr/en/ark:/53355/cl010258342</a></p><p><a href="https://collections.louvre.fr/en/ark:/53355/cl010257849" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://collections.louvre.fr/en/ark:/53355/cl010257849" rel="nofollow">https://collections.louvre.fr/en/ark:/53355/cl010257849</a></p><p>I'm going to stop here. There are 680 references in the database. When you look at the early examples the scrolls and knobs are there. They are lost as the griffins take on new attributes or move away from Eastern influence.</p><p>CNG Research</p><p><a href="http:// https://tinyurl.com/y7vzfypj" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http:// https://tinyurl.com/y7vzfypj" rel="nofollow"> https://tinyurl.com/y7vzfypj</a></p><p><a href="https://tinyurl.com/ctz2kryn" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://tinyurl.com/ctz2kryn" rel="nofollow">https://tinyurl.com/ctz2kryn</a></p><p><a href="https://tinyurl.com/2kh74tsc" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://tinyurl.com/2kh74tsc" rel="nofollow">https://tinyurl.com/2kh74tsc</a> electrum</p><p><a href="https://cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=382956" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=382956" rel="nofollow">https://cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=382956</a> one of the earliest griffins on coinage</p><p><a href="https://cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=363314" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=363314" rel="nofollow">https://cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=363314</a></p><p><br /></p><p>As I mentioned the older the coin the better you odds of finding the knob. Did it get dropped as you move west and through time? Yes.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Ryan McVay, post: 7304991, member: 117904"]Look at the original post. The two images of pottery show the knob. Usually its a bump above the eye. If you look at several of the Greek griffins you will see a similar bump above the eye. I sure wish I still had the image Patricia Lawrence shared with me of the bronze sculptors at the Louvre. I think it was the Louver. Anyway the discussion was centered around the "scrolls" you see on the Winged Carian coins. The scrolls also show up on the griffins (ons) if search the the Louvre database. [URL]https://collections.louvre.fr/en/ark:/53355/cl010251184[/URL] [URL]https://collections.louvre.fr/en/ark:/53355/cl010261824[/URL] [URL]https://collections.louvre.fr/en/ark:/53355/cl010264060[/URL] [URL]https://collections.louvre.fr/en/ark:/53355/cl010293050[/URL]. Best example [URL]https://collections.louvre.fr/en/ark:/53355/cl010176696[/URL] Best example with scrolls / tendrils [URL]https://collections.louvre.fr/en/ark:/53355/cl010255410[/URL]. [URL]https://collections.louvre.fr/en/ark:/53355/cl010258342[/URL] [URL]https://collections.louvre.fr/en/ark:/53355/cl010257849[/URL] I'm going to stop here. There are 680 references in the database. When you look at the early examples the scrolls and knobs are there. They are lost as the griffins take on new attributes or move away from Eastern influence. CNG Research [URL='http:// https://tinyurl.com/y7vzfypj'] https://tinyurl.com/y7vzfypj[/URL] [URL]https://tinyurl.com/ctz2kryn[/URL] [URL]https://tinyurl.com/2kh74tsc[/URL] electrum [URL]https://cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=382956[/URL] one of the earliest griffins on coinage [URL]https://cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=363314[/URL] As I mentioned the older the coin the better you odds of finding the knob. Did it get dropped as you move west and through time? Yes.[/QUOTE]
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