Featured The Great Savior Needs No Name… He Still Has One Though

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Curtisimo, Apr 14, 2018.

  1. Pellinore

    Pellinore Supporter! Supporter

    Thanks for this very informative thread, and those maps are excellent! This part of history is not very clear. To me it is no small wonder, that 'Soter Megas' real name may have been found! His coinage is rather common, but I'm happy we can call this Great Savior now by his first and last name Vima Takto. Here's my one coin of his. It has ten rays but no very clear lettering.

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    19 mm, 8.41 gr. MACW 2939.

    And I have these coins of the Yueh-Chih, it's an imitation following the tetradrachms of Bactrian king Heliocles. An 'ugly' coin of bad metal, not copper but an unclear mix that's prone to rust. Quite special, though. Large, heavy coins of 26-28 mm and 10-14 gr.

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  3. Ed Snible

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    I have the 2015 catalog of the ANS collection, Kushan, Kushano-Sasanian, and Kideraite Coins by Jongewood and Cribb with Peter Donovan.

    The unusual thing about these units is that they are magnetic! They must be from a mint with an unusual metal source.

    Jongewood and Cribb believe both styles were minted at Begram, a city that is today mostly noted for its US Air Force base. They call the square lettering style "early phase" and the cursive lettering style "late phase". However they don't assign years, both coins are just assigned 90-113 which they believe are the approximate regnal years of Wima Takto.
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  4. dougsmit

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    This does explain why we lack curved letter coins with many rays and square letter ones with few rays. I would like to see more coins with 7-9 rays.
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    I'm speechless. Brilliant! :) Thanks, mate.
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  6. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter Redditor Lucis Aeternae

    Excellent @Curtisimo ! Great write-up. I'm not that familiar with the history of the area but I have heard of the Hsiung-Nu and some scholars have id'd them as being an enemy referred to by Tzun-Tzu.

    Have you heard of the Pazyryk tombs with the Caucasian corpses in central Asia around the same time as the Kushans?
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  7. Curtisimo

    Curtisimo Temporarily Away Supporter

    Thank you for the kind words!

    I hadn't heard of them until reading your post but I just read about them on Wikipedia and I think I'll have to devote some time into reading some more about them. Fascinating. Thanks for the heads up! :)
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  11. TIF

    TIF Always learning. Supporter

    I have three of these and still have no idea how to properly label them. For now I'm going with a broad attribution, taking a cue from one of the more recent CNG examples of a similar coin. The CNG catalogers tend to be up to date.

    INDIA, Kushan Empire
    temp. Kujula Kadphises - Vima Takto, c. CE 80-113
    AE; uncertain mint (Begram?)
    Obv: Radiate, diademed, and draped bust of Miiro (Mithra) right, holding scepter; tamgha to left
    Rev: King right on horseback, holding pickax; tamgha to lower right.
    Ref: ANS Kushan 147-156 (I do not have this book and do not know if there are other entries based on minor details such as number of rays, number of prongs on the tamgha, etc)

    The first was purchased locally in 2013. I was so excited about finding an ancient coin for sale in a curio shop that I grossly overpaid for it. 20 mm, 8.12 gm. Hard to say how many rays this has but there are four seen near the top/front of his head, so I'd guess there are more than double that amount. The legends are mostly off flan and I can't even make out the shape of the character behind the horse (as per Doug's post).


    The second and third coins were purchased at the 2014 ANA World's Fair of Money in Chicago. I was on my last round through the bourse and mostly out of money. Educational Coin Company had bags full of these and other less popular coins at low prices so I picked out a couple of nicer examples.

    The first of this pair seems to be the most common type, or the one I've seen most often. It has high relief, three-pronged tamghas, and rounded letters; 21 mm, 8.12 gm. The second of the two coins below looked different from the others in the bag so I bought it as well. It has the squared letters, more rays, and four pronged tamghas; 21 mm, 8.41 gm. I have no idea if there is any significance to those differences but suspect its simply the result of time and different engravers.


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