The grades are in!!!!

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Coinsandmedals, Mar 26, 2020.

  1. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    Welp... I'll guess that this here is a proof ha'penny from 1805. I'll wager it's copper.

    Any more than that would be sure guesstimating.
     
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  3. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    I’ll say 63
     
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  4. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    I took the reverse flatness on the high points as a filled die or a slightly weak strike.
    I am sure it was kicked because of the die chips and late die state.
    The surfaces say it is gem IMO.

    PF63 on the 1/2 Penny.
     
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  5. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Why is that?
     
  6. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    PF63, would have been 64 but the massive gouge in the cheek keeps it down
     
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  7. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    I'll do PR63
     
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  8. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    Because grading proofs from images is always a guessing game. However, it's even more difficult with these photos. Obviously the NGC photos are too dark to tell anything. However, the poster's photos (while excellently showing the color and relief), don't show the fields/surfaces well. Most proofs are limited by things like hairlines in the fields, and that won't show in a picture like this. This coin could be anywhere from PR-60 to PR-65, and it wouldn't surprise me, just because I can't see the surfaces well. Great picture, and it does what it's designed to do (show the color), but it is nearly impossible to accurately grade from.
     
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  9. Coinsandmedals

    Coinsandmedals Well-Known Member

    @physics-fan3.14, this is all very true, and this is where taking my own images would have been useful. I attempted several times, but I could never strike the right balance between the toning and everything else.
     
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  10. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    The spots on the obv & rev would bother me, but I think the graders will accept them for that age of a coin.
    Also, the nick on his chin will hold it back

    So, PR63.

    Which means that I will be low again
     
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  11. Coinsandmedals

    Coinsandmedals Well-Known Member

    This was a difficult one, mostly because of the images. The NGC images are very dark, but do a good job showing the cameo contrast. The seller's pictures did an excellent job highlighting the color but did not portray the condition of the surfaces very well. Looking over the responses made gives me a little peace of mind. Like most of you, I marked this as a PF-63 BN. I never thought I would be lucky enough to receive the cameo designation.

    1805 Ireland proof 1/2 Penny

    My grade PF-63 BN

    1805 Ireland Half Penny label.jpg
     
  12. Coinsandmedals

    Coinsandmedals Well-Known Member

    Up next is a 1694 British Farthing.....

    1694 England Farthing Obv..JPG 1694 England Farthing Rev..JPG
     
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  13. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

  14. ksparrow

    ksparrow Coin Hoarder Supporter

    Rusted dies? Queen Mary looks like she has leprosy, unfortunately. I don't see any real wear so will guess MS63.
     
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  15. Ruthlankford68

    Ruthlankford68 Active Member

    Idk anything about grading but I've gotta learn so here goes. Ms 63.
     
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  16. longshot

    longshot Enthusiast Supporter

  17. Kentucky

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  18. Coinsandmedals

    Coinsandmedals Well-Known Member

    Anyone else? I will give it until after dinner and then post the next coin.
     
  19. Ruthlankford68

    Ruthlankford68 Active Member

    My guess is ua 57. I think that's the right abreivuation.
     
  20. Ruthlankford68

    Ruthlankford68 Active Member

    And omg! I was so close like half right?!!! I'm so excited! Lol my family is like what in the world but I'm super proud of myself.
     
  21. Coinsandmedals

    Coinsandmedals Well-Known Member

    The copper business strike coinage of William and Mary are notorious for weak strikes, poor quality planchets, and overall poor craftsmanship. All of these factors make it a bit more difficult to judge this coin accurately. I teetered between an AU-50 and an XF-45 but entered an XF-45 grade in the spreadsheet before submission. It appears that I was a bit too conservative.

    1694 British Farthing

    My grade: XF-45 BN

    1694 farthing label.png
     
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