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<p>[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 378937, member: 112"]That almost sounds to me like you are changing your mind and are willing to admit that the graph might actually reflect reality, or at least you agree it does since the late '90s. Or am I misunderstanding ? I wonder, did you do some research on your own today to make you say that ?</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>And as for the grades, MS65, XF40, VF30 and F12 absolutely existed in the 1970's. But I will grant you, the grades like MS62, MS63, MS64 - those did not exist then. But since the indexes didn't exist then either, I really don't see what difference it makes. Rather obviously, they would have made adjustments to account for the missing grades.</p><p><br /></p><p>So anyway, those 2 coins you asked about - the 1889-CC and 1893-S Morgans. Following are actuall realized prices, rough averages for those 2 coins in appropriate time frames. Now since Heritage's records don't go back as far as you wanted, I could only go back as far as they did. Here are the results. And the grades I'm using, are used in the indexes. </p><p><br /></p><p>1889-CC</p><p>2001 </p><p>MS64 - $60,950</p><p>XF40 - $862</p><p>VF30 - $550</p><p>F12 - $245</p><p><br /></p><p>2004 </p><p>MS64 - $58650</p><p>XF40 - $2530</p><p>VF30 - $1425</p><p>F12 - $650</p><p><br /></p><p>2005</p><p>MS64 - $53,700</p><p>XF40 - $2990</p><p>VF30 - $1600</p><p>F12 - $805</p><p><br /></p><p>2007</p><p>MS64 - $69,000</p><p>XF40 - $1725</p><p>VF30 - $862</p><p>F12 - $580</p><p><br /></p><p>Recent</p><p>MS64 - $69,000</p><p>XF40 - $2100</p><p>VF30 - $805</p><p>F12 - $1200</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>1893-S</p><p>2001</p><p>MS63 - $47,150</p><p>XF40 - $4200</p><p>VF30 - $2100</p><p>F12 - $1300</p><p><br /></p><p>2004</p><p>MS63 - $74,750</p><p>XF40 - $7200</p><p>VF30 - $4500</p><p>F12 - no trade</p><p><br /></p><p>2005 </p><p>MS63 - $106,375</p><p>XF40 - $9200</p><p>VF30 - $6500</p><p>F12 - no trade</p><p><br /></p><p>2007 </p><p>MS63 - $149,500</p><p>XF40 - $8600</p><p>VF30 - $5700</p><p>F12 - $4000</p><p><br /></p><p>Recent </p><p>MS63 - no trade</p><p>XF40 - $9000</p><p>VF30 - $6600</p><p>F12 - no trade</p><p><br /></p><p>Now if you would just care to go click on those index links, know what you'll find. You'll find that the highs and lows follow the trends indicated by the graphs, just like I said they would.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now I used the coins you picked, I don't know how to be any more fair than that. But it doesn't really matter. Whatever coins you pick, with few exceptions, you are going to find that the trend of the actual realized prices mimics the trend of the graphs. Those graphs only pertain to generalities not specifics, so no, they may not match exactly percentage wise. But the highs will match the highs and lows will match the lows. That indicates to me that the graphs are accurate. Imagine that.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 378937, member: 112"]That almost sounds to me like you are changing your mind and are willing to admit that the graph might actually reflect reality, or at least you agree it does since the late '90s. Or am I misunderstanding ? I wonder, did you do some research on your own today to make you say that ? And as for the grades, MS65, XF40, VF30 and F12 absolutely existed in the 1970's. But I will grant you, the grades like MS62, MS63, MS64 - those did not exist then. But since the indexes didn't exist then either, I really don't see what difference it makes. Rather obviously, they would have made adjustments to account for the missing grades. So anyway, those 2 coins you asked about - the 1889-CC and 1893-S Morgans. Following are actuall realized prices, rough averages for those 2 coins in appropriate time frames. Now since Heritage's records don't go back as far as you wanted, I could only go back as far as they did. Here are the results. And the grades I'm using, are used in the indexes. 1889-CC 2001 MS64 - $60,950 XF40 - $862 VF30 - $550 F12 - $245 2004 MS64 - $58650 XF40 - $2530 VF30 - $1425 F12 - $650 2005 MS64 - $53,700 XF40 - $2990 VF30 - $1600 F12 - $805 2007 MS64 - $69,000 XF40 - $1725 VF30 - $862 F12 - $580 Recent MS64 - $69,000 XF40 - $2100 VF30 - $805 F12 - $1200 1893-S 2001 MS63 - $47,150 XF40 - $4200 VF30 - $2100 F12 - $1300 2004 MS63 - $74,750 XF40 - $7200 VF30 - $4500 F12 - no trade 2005 MS63 - $106,375 XF40 - $9200 VF30 - $6500 F12 - no trade 2007 MS63 - $149,500 XF40 - $8600 VF30 - $5700 F12 - $4000 Recent MS63 - no trade XF40 - $9000 VF30 - $6600 F12 - no trade Now if you would just care to go click on those index links, know what you'll find. You'll find that the highs and lows follow the trends indicated by the graphs, just like I said they would. Now I used the coins you picked, I don't know how to be any more fair than that. But it doesn't really matter. Whatever coins you pick, with few exceptions, you are going to find that the trend of the actual realized prices mimics the trend of the graphs. Those graphs only pertain to generalities not specifics, so no, they may not match exactly percentage wise. But the highs will match the highs and lows will match the lows. That indicates to me that the graphs are accurate. Imagine that.[/QUOTE]
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