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<p>[QUOTE="benhur767, post: 3100676, member: 36818"]zumbly, you may very well be correct, and your rationale makes perfect sense if we're thinking of a conventional Roman branch. But Elagabalus was not conventional. Cypress is native to Syria and pinecones were a symbol of fertility in ancient times.</p><p><br /></p><p>For example, bacchantes, who were priestesses of Bacchus, are depicted in Roman art carrying the thyrsus, which was a staff tipped with a pinecone and thought to represent a fertility phallus. Similarly, cypress pinecones could have represented fertility for El-Gabal, Elagabalus's sun god. The bull's penis ("horn") he wears on his head probably represents virility. It all fits the theme.</p><p><br /></p><p>The "branch" then could possibly be a cypress-wood rod adorned with knobbly cypress pinecones as in the image below, fashioned into a sort of artificial "branch." This would account for it's knobbly-ness.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]784671[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>I just don't see how the symbol of a club fits in, other than that it kind of looks like a club. What would the club symbolize? Bashing the sacrificial animal over the head? Also, on coins of Elagabalus, Hercules is depicted holding a club, and it's definitely a club. That's the conventional Roman depiction of a club. It's more distinctly tapered from wide at the top for clubbing, to skinny at the bottom for a handle. And it's not very knobbly.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]784674[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Maybe Elagabalus is holding neither branch nor club, but some completely unknown thing. We're all just guessing.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="benhur767, post: 3100676, member: 36818"]zumbly, you may very well be correct, and your rationale makes perfect sense if we're thinking of a conventional Roman branch. But Elagabalus was not conventional. Cypress is native to Syria and pinecones were a symbol of fertility in ancient times. For example, bacchantes, who were priestesses of Bacchus, are depicted in Roman art carrying the thyrsus, which was a staff tipped with a pinecone and thought to represent a fertility phallus. Similarly, cypress pinecones could have represented fertility for El-Gabal, Elagabalus's sun god. The bull's penis ("horn") he wears on his head probably represents virility. It all fits the theme. The "branch" then could possibly be a cypress-wood rod adorned with knobbly cypress pinecones as in the image below, fashioned into a sort of artificial "branch." This would account for it's knobbly-ness. [ATTACH=full]784671[/ATTACH] I just don't see how the symbol of a club fits in, other than that it kind of looks like a club. What would the club symbolize? Bashing the sacrificial animal over the head? Also, on coins of Elagabalus, Hercules is depicted holding a club, and it's definitely a club. That's the conventional Roman depiction of a club. It's more distinctly tapered from wide at the top for clubbing, to skinny at the bottom for a handle. And it's not very knobbly. [ATTACH=full]784674[/ATTACH] Maybe Elagabalus is holding neither branch nor club, but some completely unknown thing. We're all just guessing.[/QUOTE]
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