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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Rob Woodside, post: 7516528, member: 96187&quot;]Thanks SPP Ottawa. I wondered if those 1971 errrors were the last Hurrah before prison? I&#039;ve only looked for Silver Dollar errors but there were a lot in other denominations. It was a hectic time at the mint and there was&nbsp; a lot of turnover. With all the new folk it was inevitable that errors would occur. I wonder if the switch to a crown corporation at that time had any influence?</p><p><br /></p><p>I was surprised to notice that there are no SP examples listed for the &#039;66 small bead Mule or misaligned dies yielding Rotated Geese (tilted, diving, opposite orientation), or the double struck Butchered Goose. Apart from the Mule, PL listings of the other coins are sparse with most being graded MS. Having the pressman Frederick Priebe and the manager Darlene Ruddick on the inside, they could have navigated the security for Numismatic coins and produced SP and PL coins. There are no SP!</p><p><br /></p><p>The problem is the cofusion between MS and PL. PL coins are the first business strikes with polished dies and have a mirror finish. As the dies wear mint flash or chatoyancy developes and it is no longer a PL coin. Double Striking for PL coins didn&#039;t start until 1971, so before that PL coins were just single business strikes with freshly polishied dies that weren&#039;t yet broken in. As Haxby relates on pg 216 in Striking Impressions the avalanch of orders in 1965 prcipitated the creation of the Hull Office with 4 new presses to deal with proof like sets. Preibe and Ruddick were in Ottawa, not Hull, so I doubt that any of these coins were ever in cellophane envelopes as PL coins were supposed to be.</p><p><br /></p><p>I started this thread looking to confirm rumours of corruption at the mint and finally looked at Stephan&nbsp; E. Dushnick&#039;s Silver and Nickel Dollars of Canada 1911 to date (1978). On page 85 he says the &#039;66 Small Beads is a Mule and&nbsp; &quot;was PROBABLY only for Numismatic sets&quot; (my emphasis). He goes on to say, &quot;The &quot;Small Beads&quot; dollars were therefore officially produced and we have heard of at least one being found in a proof like set (which we assume was officially issued) All of these pieces were slated for melting. The circumstances of the appearance of the loose coins on the numismatic market suggests that their issue was &quot;unofficial&quot;, placing them in a similar category to the Double Struck &#039;67 dollar...&quot; In &#039;78 Dushnick thought there were maybe 500 Small Beads and they listed at $1250. That agrees with another who posted there were 480 of these graded Mules. Apparently the Inverted Goose was unknown to Dushnick. Does anyone know the circumstances of its discovery?</p><p><br /></p><p>On page 129 Dushnick lists the only two &quot;Spurious or Illegally Produced&quot; dollars of the series- &quot;1967 Double Strike (Spurious)&quot; and&nbsp; &quot;1967 Diving Goose (Spurious)&quot;.</p><p><br /></p><p>There he says , &quot;The fact that that these double struck coins are available in quantity and ALL ARE EXACTLY THE SAME leaves no question that the rumours we have heard that they are back door coins (produced in the mint but not issued with legal authority) must be correct. This raises the legal question of their sale or ownership. The exact mintage is unknown.These pieces all come in Proof Like condition&quot; They certainly are not &quot;all the same&quot;, with the amout of rotation before the second srike being variable from a few degrees to 30 or more. On my specimen I can match the images on both sides with the same rotation so the coin rotated and not the dies between strikes. Does anyone know how these coins were made?</p><p><br /></p><p>About the rotating geese Dushnick says, &quot;Probably intentionally made by rotating one of the dies approximately 45 degrees and exact mintage is unknown&quot;. Rotations of less than 10 or 15 degrees are deemed worth no more than an ordinary&nbsp; MS 1967. But it becomes a Tilted Goose, not officailly listed, with rotations of 20 to 40 degrees and a Diving Goose at around 45 degrees. The Inverted Goose at exactly 180 degrees is the only other Rotated Goose. Tilted geese seem to go for something more than a usual MS 1967 and approach the Diving Goose value as the angle does. The Diving Goose is priced a little lower than the Small Beads, so I would guess they had about the same mintage, around 500. There are claims of 8 to 12 Inverted Geese known. The Inverted Goose is set exactly at 180 degrees, but how variable are the other angles?</p><p><br /></p><p>The mint has had 50 years to repossess their stolen coins and have done nothing. There must be internal mint documents describing investigations into these coins, but they are not public and the mint ignores any requests about them. I believe they swept this under the carpet to avoid any more unpleasantness. These coins were shepherded through official release and so are just as authentic as any other business strike. Apparently the Market thinks so too.</p><p><br /></p><p>In late April 2021 the Canadian Numismatic Company auctioned these coins. The MS 62 mule listed at $3690 in Coins and Canada went for $3718.45 plus tax. A PL 66 tilted goose&nbsp; went for $249.50 more than about five times the list price for a &#039;67 PL 66 of $42.90. A PL 64 Diving Goose that PCGS had failed to note was a Diving Goose went for $2380. The Diving Goose is not listed as a PL coin in Coins and Canada but an MS 64 lists at $1060, half what this coin went for. Then there was the MS 66 Inverted Goose that went for $18,445 and listed for $15,200. So the Market treats them as real coins of increasing value. SSP Ottawa, you have done well to acquire them!</p><p>+[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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