Featured The first official circulating coins of Japan. The Twelve Antique Coins of Japan

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  1. lehmansterms

    lehmansterms Many view intelligence as a hideous deformity

    Wait until you encounter the coins of Annam, etc. It's not by any means only China and Japan who used square-holed, cast Æ "cash"-type coinage.
     
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  3. jamesicus

    jamesicus Well-Known Member

    Thank you for starting this fascinating thread @Loong Siew. As I mentioned elsewhere, I lived in Japan (twenty miles northwest of Tokyo) during the early 1960s (four years). I regret not collecting/researching Japanese coinage, but I was so immersed in researching Nihonto (the Japanese Samurai Sword) that I had little time for any other research pursuits (at least that is my rationalization). But in reference to Japanese copper: raw copper (partially refined?) was frequently used by the Nihonto metal working craftsmen to produce superb furnishings of the highest quality:

    fuchi
    (upper pommel)

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    kashira
    (lower pommel)hinge

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    Made of partially refined copper (suaka) that has attained a lovely chocolate patina with depictions of mythical lion-dog temple/shrine guards (shishi)

    I wonder if the same kind of copper was used in minting coins?



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  4. Loong Siew

    Loong Siew Well-Known Member

    Just a bit of trivia.. there is also a type of Japanese coin that is actually designed after a Tsuba of a Japanese sword.
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  5. Loong Siew

    Loong Siew Well-Known Member

    You forgot Korea and South East Asia. Not to mention Central Asia but that is sometimes categorically grouped in under China
     
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  7. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    LOL, yeah, I love Electrum... but, I do ADORE gold! :D
     
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  8. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    Well, now, that little digression into swords certainly turned fascinating!
     
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  9. jamesicus

    jamesicus Well-Known Member

    I apologize for drifting off-topic with my Japanese sword post and I have removed the sword images.

    [​IMG] @Loong Siew -- thank you for posting those excellent coin images.
     
  10. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    WHY? I thought they were interesting! And, as @Loong Siew tied in some coin-related stuff, they were topical! When I said it was a "digression", I meant in a good way!

    Put 'em back!
     
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  11. Loong Siew

    Loong Siew Well-Known Member

    It was an interesting connection.. so no need to apologize
     
  12. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    @Loong Siew we have discussed these at length many time...just going to have to say - forever on the want list. Well done brother!
     
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  13. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    @jamesicus - did someone say nihonto? I have one. PUT THEM BACK!!!
     
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  14. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    I thought that sounded a little too fantastical to be true, but I was wanting someone more knowledgeable to discuss the subject. Thanks for showing up!
     
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  15. Loong Siew

    Loong Siew Well-Known Member

    Haha.. thanks bro! It is really a set I'm super proud of.. although not sure if I can complete it within my lifetime..
     
  16. jamesicus

    jamesicus Well-Known Member

    I recommend the following book (written in English) for anyone wishing to study Nihonto blades in the most profound way:
    • Connoisseur's Book of Japanese Swords, Kokan Nagayama -- (Kodansha International, Tokyo, 1995.)
    Nagayama sensei is designated a Living National Treasure in Japan -- a mukansa (without supervision) polisher and judge for the sword polishing and sword smithing competition of the Nihonto Bijutsu Token Hozon Kyokai (NBTHK -- Society for the Preservation of Japanese Swords) in Tokyo. The translator of (and contributor to) the book, Kenji Mishina, is a top ranked sword polisher and student of Nagayama. He is designated by the Japanese government to restore and polish blades classified as kokuha (National Treasures). He was invited to England in the late 1980s by Clive Sinclaire, the Dean of British Nihonto collectors and renowned author, in order to lecture about and teach Nihonto polishing and appraisal (kantei). He was subsequently employed by the British Museum and invited by the British Royal Family to polish its (incredible) sword collection. If you really want to study and learn about Nihonto blades, this is the book to get.
     
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  17. Justinokay

    Justinokay Member

    Let me add on too. So below are some Japanese coins circulated around the late 1600s and late 1700s as well as a " samurai coin " from my collection ( Sorry still haven't figured out how to post pictures directly on the reply). Sorry some of the bottom pics are blurry.

    Kanei Tsuho:
    1)1 mon, reverse "bun" Kameido mint 1668-1683
    2)4 mon, 21 waves (1768-69) Scarcer type but harshly cleaned
    3)1 mon, reverse "Gen" Osaka mint, 1741
    4)4 mon, 11 waves (1850s?)


    https://ibb.co/ntq7Xk
    https://ibb.co/cB3i55

    The coolest cash coins in my opinion.
    1) 100 mon narrow rim type (1835-1869)
    2) 100 mon wide rim type (1835 - 1869)

    https://ibb.co/bDAVk5
    https://ibb.co/g9nbQ5

    1 Shu Gin, from Meiji's early reign. Minted 1868-1869. Hartill type 9.87 var X-s.
    https://ibb.co/k3Mgsk
    https://ibb.co/nb1syQ

    @lehmansterms


    Some Annamese coins from my collection

    Gia Long 1802-1819

    https://ibb.co/dCJmsk
    https://ibb.co/cQEgQ5


    Minh Mang 1820-1840

    https://ibb.co/dyrZdQ
    https://ibb.co/iDSkk5

    Thrieu Tri 1841-1847

    https://ibb.co/dnrNXk
    https://ibb.co/ndiEdQ

    Tu Duc 1848-1883

    https://ibb.co/ksst55
    https://ibb.co/mXAudQ

    Thanh Thai 1889 -1907

    https://ibb.co/m70AJQ
    https://ibb.co/e9ZsXk
     
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  18. mlov43

    mlov43 주화 수집가

    More images of the Fuuhonsen ( 富本钱 ):
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  19. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    My only Japan, other than some modern coins:

    Last of the Samuri...
    Japan Meiji Era AV-AR Ingot 1868-1869 Nibu Kin Samurai Shogun Paulonia Chrys.jpg
    Japan Meiji Era AV-AR Ingot 1868-1869 Nibu Kin Samurai Shogun Paulonia Chrys

    My Carthage Horse Head compared to Japanese Pteranodon.JPG
    Oh yeah, I have an AE from Carthage that inspired a... Japanese film ...Pteranodon
     
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  20. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    I'll have you know Rodan is the coolest Japanese mutant animal ever, certainly much cooler than Godzilla.

     
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  21. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    LOL, agreed: the Premium on my AE Carthage is as huge as a skyscraper as they modeled Rodan from it. :D :D :D
     
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