The First Dollar

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  1. Loong Siew

    Loong Siew Well-Known Member

    The first Dollar. Bohemia. Count Stephan Schlick and brothers. Guldengroschen. Joachimsthal. 1517. Davenport 8138.

    The first Dollar originated not from the US but actually derived its name and origin from a small but very rich town in Bohemia. Today the town is named Jachymov, modern day Czech Republic, it was named Joachimsthal (Valley of John) and the area became prominent and prosperous due to rich deposits of silver prior to the discovery of the rich silvers of the New World.Owned by the Counts of Schlick, the family was allowed to mine and issue silver coins of finesse and weight to match it's value in gold thus the term "Guldengroschen" or "Golden Groschen". With the invention of the screw press, the Counts of Schlick was able to mint coins on large planchets and sufficient quantities all bearing the image of St John and the Bohemian Lion.

    These coins became so popular that they set the standard of weight and finesse across future like issues across Europe. Popularly known as Joachimsthal after the area where they were mined and minted, it became abbreviated to the 1st "Thaler". Traded widely across Europe, it eventually influenced world trade when the Spanish Pieces of Eight adopted the standard in the new world. Throughout the centuries, different pronunciations from different countries eventually changed Thaler to Daaler and then became "Dollar" when immigrants started colonizing the Americas.

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  3. longshot

    longshot Enthusiast Supporter

    Two thumbs up. Love this stuff.
     
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  4. Loong Siew

    Loong Siew Well-Known Member

    Thanks @longshot .. Although not fantastic design wise but historically significant..
     
  5. longshot

    longshot Enthusiast Supporter

    I agree, as the origin of the dollar, very significant. And the German States produced a vast amount of interesting (to me anyway) silver coinage and this is a part of it.
     
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  6. Loong Siew

    Loong Siew Well-Known Member

    I agree with the Thaler. Subsequent issues are very beautiful and intricate. Almost a work of art by itself. But i prefer coins with a story..
     
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  7. TheRed

    TheRed Well-Known Member

    Great coin @Loong Siew
    I would love to add such a historically significant coin to my collection one day. The Thalers of the 16th and 17th centuries that were produced in Germany have always fascinated me as well
     
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  8. Loong Siew

    Loong Siew Well-Known Member

    Thanks @TheRed .. I have been eyeing this coin for a long time.. this is the first issue design. Soon after there is a slight redesign of the image of St John.. Also a Joachimsthal.
     
  9. NormW

    NormW Student Of Coinology

    Can you tell us about the inscriptions. The meanings?
     
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  10. RICHARD K

    RICHARD K MISTY & SASHA

    Very informative! Learn something everyday on COIN TALK
     
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  11. Loong Siew

    Loong Siew Well-Known Member

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  12. chascat

    chascat Well-Known Member

    Thank you! Very informative...makes me proud to be a Bohemian.
     
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  13. WashDaddy

    WashDaddy AATW!

    Thanks for sharing that about the fir$t Dollar.
     
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  14. Loong Siew

    Loong Siew Well-Known Member

    Haha.. Thanks.. I reckon you meant Czech?
     
  15. Loong Siew

    Loong Siew Well-Known Member

    You're welcome.. Not many people realize where our dollars come from..
     
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  16. WashDaddy

    WashDaddy AATW!

    Siew, I have 22 of the US presidential gold dollars and was wondering if you know the cheapest way to aquire the additional gold dollars to complete my collection?
     
  17. chascat

    chascat Well-Known Member

    No, my great grandparents imigrated
    here from Bohemia in 1864. Bohemia was still a country then.
     
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  18. WashDaddy

    WashDaddy AATW!

    My Bad, Thanks anyway.
     
  19. chrisild

    chrisild Coin Collector

    Interesting story, even though I am surprised that this would be considered "ancient". Ah well, we just discussed how flexibly that terms is used here ...

    The funny thing is that the Taler got its name from St. Joachimsthal (Jáchymov) but that the coin originated elsewhere. The mint in Hall, Tyrol started making such Guldengroschen coins in 1484. The specifications were then adopted for the pieces made in St. Joachimsthal ... and those quickly became more popular. :)

    Christian
     
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  20. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    Glad you got it
     
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