The first coins of Vietnam

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  1. Loong Siew

    Loong Siew Well-Known Member

    The first coins of Vietnam.

    The “ Đinh “ Dinh Dynasty 968 – 980 :

    Thai Binh Hung Bao. Reverse Dinh 丁 mark. AD970.

    The first known official Vietnamese coinage from the time of the Dinh dynasty. Back then Vietnam was known as Annam and was for a thousand years since the Qin Dynasty in China, an interregnum period under the Trieu 赵 dynasty before under direct Chinese suzerainity up to AD938.

    After the victory over the twelve self-appointed governors ruling chaotic Annam and the Later Ngo kings, Dinh Bo Linh proclaimed himself ‘Emperor Dinh Tien Hoang’, established his capital at Hoa Lu and renamed the country Dai Co Viet in the year of 968. He was the first Emperor to cast Vietnamese coins ‘Thai Binh Hung Bao’ in Viet Nam history and opened an independent era from China for Viet Nam.

    For thr next millennia, Vietnam continued the tradition of issuance of cash coinage but with distinct Vietnamese regnal titles apart from occasional Chinese imitations and imports.

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  3. GerardV

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    Nice write up and coins.
     
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  5. Youngcoin

    Youngcoin Well-Known Member

    Very nice.
     
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  6. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE Supporter

    Nice @Loong Siew ! Great coin and good write-up.

    I regret I have no Viet coins. I am trying to find a silver Chinese coin. Did the Viet Empire produce any silver coins?
     
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  7. Loong Siew

    Loong Siew Well-Known Member

    Thanks @Alegandron .. The Viet empire produced silver coins. The one i know of are the 19th century silver tiens.
     
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  8. AnYangMan

    AnYangMan Active Member

    Nice one, Loong siew! ‘Official’ Vietnamese cash is quite an interesting area! I can only post a couple of later, unofficial, cash coins, most likely cast in Vietnam. They all imitate Chinese cash coins, An Phap style (you mentioned these Chinese imitations in your write-up, I believe), but they are much, much smaller (around 21 mm) than the coins they imitate. Dating these is problematic, as is accurately determining the country of origin. Note the coarse workmanship and sometimes hilariously (de)formed characters.

    Thien Thanh Nguyen Bao (天聖元寶), imitating a Northern Song Tian Sheng Yuan Bao:

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    Đại Định Thong Bao (大定通寶), imitating a Northern Song Da Ding Tong Bao:

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    Thanh Nguyen Thong Bao (聖元通寶), a fair bit of debate concerning this type, probably not an actual imitation:

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    Nguyen Phong Thong Bao (元豐通寶), imitating a Northern Song Yuan Feng Tong Bao:

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  9. Loong Siew

    Loong Siew Well-Known Member

    Lovely specimens @AnYangMan . A number of Chinese numismatists usually can deduce the origin of such imitations by their legends and build like you said. Another one that is interesting in my opinion is a qianlong cash coin with the character 南 for Annam. Probably an indirect muscling into Vietnam from an influence perspective?
     
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  10. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES! Supporter

    Cool coin! I only have a few modern things from Vietnam, nothing ancient. I didn't know about the name, that's pretty interesting as well.

    Wikipedia...

     
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  11. Muzyck

    Muzyck Rûm faced

    Nice. My coinage from that region only dates as far back as 1225 - 1258. I have a number different period and rebellion coinage after that.
     
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  12. arnoldoe

    arnoldoe Well-Known Member

    Here is my only holed cast coin so far...
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    This coin was previously sold in 2014 as a extremely rare Northern Song coin from the reign of Qin Zong (Hartill 16.517) for 4000 Euros + fees on a 3600 Euro Starting bid... however it seems that the coin was found by the buyer to have not been a genuine Northern Song coin, rather a later imitation from the 16th century and was probably returned after the buyer discovered that information.

    Then earlier this year the coin was re-auctioned by the same auction house with a starting bid of 900 Euros as a Javanese Imitation but went unsold...

    I then acquired it a few weeks ago and e-mailed David Hartill about it and he said it was likely an imitation from Vietnam or Indonesia after 1500 since before that date zinc wasn't used in Chinese coins.

    For the 2014 auction the coin was supposedly XRF'd with the results...
    Cu 71,44 %, Zn 14,07 %, Sn 2,32 %, Pb 7,37 %, Fe 2,48 %
     
  13. Loong Siew

    Loong Siew Well-Known Member

    Thanks @chrsmat71 . Here's a bit of trivia for you on Vietnam. The Trieu Dynasty was founded by a Chinese Qin Dynasty General named Zhao Tuo. Back then his territory included what is now Guangzhou in Guangdong Province China.

    Also why it was called Nam Viet 南越 was due to being South of Yue 越。Yue was an ancient Chinese state that encompass parts of southern China South of the Yangtze.
     
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  14. Loong Siew

    Loong Siew Well-Known Member

    Thanks. Actually these Thai Binh are not considered rare. But they are slowly getting harder to find.
     
  15. Loong Siew

    Loong Siew Well-Known Member

    You are right about the Qin Zong coin being extremely rare. The one you showed is the rarer Tong Bao variant. I have a less rarer Yuan Bao 3 cash variant as attached:

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