The EXPANDED family of counterfeit large cents based on the 1833 N-5 variety.

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Jack D. Young, Aug 31, 2022.

  1. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    In my previous Coin Week article on these I cited the actual genuine source coin to create the dies for the fakes; the example has a couple of key “attribution” defects that should be unique only to this example, but were transferred into the false dies:

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    marked source.jpg

    The article can be viewed at https://coinweek.com/counterfeits/struck-counterfeit-coins-a-family-of-struck-fake-large-cents/

    I show several counterfeit examples of various dates attributed to this source die pairing including a friend’s “1824”; dies were created, and dates added to create the “family” of fakes:

    1824fake.jpg

    They also created counterfeit off-center errors based on the same N-5! My example:

    1826.jpg
    Mine was almost sold at a major coin show but was caught in time and forwarded to me! There was a “higher grade” example offered for sale by a major internet seller but was ended after being notified…

    I highlighted a couple of common marks between the two:

    1826-oc combo.jpg-marks.jpg

    I did make an error in the article showing my 1827!!! As serious students/ collectors of the series know the 1833 N-5 and 1833 N-3 obverses and reverses look much alike, and I made a rookie mistake, as the obverse has the fake 1833 N-5 divot, but the reverse is from an 1833 N-3:

    1827.jpg
    Comparison image of the 1833 N-5 reverse of the genuine source coin on the left and a counterfeit 1833 N-3 reverse on the right show the differences:

    n-5 n-3 rev comp.jpg marks.jpg

    And to make things even worse, they are also mixing and matching the dies, as they created this off-center error version dated 1827 as well but with the N-5 reverse…

    1827-oc combo.jpg-marks.jpg

    So, the counterfeiters are creating new die pairs, maybe to make this all the more difficult for collectors to discern “live or Memorex”!

    A recent 1826 large cent’s authenticity was just questioned in a post here (thanks @Steven Shaw) and it also appears to match the N-5/ N-3 counterfeit die pairing:

    1826 lc.jpg-ct.jpg

    These continue to get better and more deceptive to folks not well versed in the series!

    I actually added a couple examples to my collection recently including this “1833 N-5”:

    1833-N-5 ctft.jpg

    I reached my image limit- more to follow in comments:D!
     
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  3. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    Last edited: Aug 31, 2022
  4. LakeEffect

    LakeEffect Average Circulated Supporter

    Yes, I see the 1833 obverse die marker on the 1824 dated coin. Thanks again for these great threads!
     
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  5. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    Thanks; without any other comments this one looks like it is heading for the bone pile quick:D...
     
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