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<p>[QUOTE="Cherd, post: 21452477, member: 24754"]If I seemed to make the case that Christianity was solely responsible for the downfall of Rome and overall regression of society, then I overstated that particular case (Germanic Tribes, the Huns, mismanaged economy, and disease probably cover the majority) . The argument that I was addressing was something along the lines of "When was Rome not Rome anymore", and I think that the shift to Christianity does play a significant role when addressing that question. The simple shift in power is enough to support that argument IMO.</p><p><br /></p><p>As for the Dark Ages (Early Medieval), I also wouldn't pin that on Christianity, as the process of coming out of this period was largely about the conversion of pagan tribes across Europe to the religion.</p><p><br /></p><p>But, Christianity definitely didn't shine through the remainder of the Medieval Period. The systematic suppression of literacy, demonization of sex, extreme corruption among the Papacy and church hierarchy, and general expectation that every person's life focus would be about religion was very damaging and further delayed the rebound and progression for many centuries.</p><p><br /></p><p>Any society that becomes to pious and fundamentalist in a world view like religion is doomed to, at best, stagnation. The only worthwhile worldview from a state of society perspective is one based on secular humanism. The church actively suppressed this type of thinking for a very long time, and that is ultimately how the damage was done. Again, IMO..... but I think that this barely constitutes "opinion".[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Cherd, post: 21452477, member: 24754"]If I seemed to make the case that Christianity was solely responsible for the downfall of Rome and overall regression of society, then I overstated that particular case (Germanic Tribes, the Huns, mismanaged economy, and disease probably cover the majority) . The argument that I was addressing was something along the lines of "When was Rome not Rome anymore", and I think that the shift to Christianity does play a significant role when addressing that question. The simple shift in power is enough to support that argument IMO. As for the Dark Ages (Early Medieval), I also wouldn't pin that on Christianity, as the process of coming out of this period was largely about the conversion of pagan tribes across Europe to the religion. But, Christianity definitely didn't shine through the remainder of the Medieval Period. The systematic suppression of literacy, demonization of sex, extreme corruption among the Papacy and church hierarchy, and general expectation that every person's life focus would be about religion was very damaging and further delayed the rebound and progression for many centuries. Any society that becomes to pious and fundamentalist in a world view like religion is doomed to, at best, stagnation. The only worthwhile worldview from a state of society perspective is one based on secular humanism. The church actively suppressed this type of thinking for a very long time, and that is ultimately how the damage was done. Again, IMO..... but I think that this barely constitutes "opinion".[/QUOTE]
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