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<p>[QUOTE="AussieCollector, post: 18664558, member: 81093"]Absolutely beautiful coin! You must have paid a pretty penny.</p><p><br /></p><p>But it ain't the end of the Empire <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie2" alt=";)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>Speaking of which...</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Hey Rasiel, long time no see. Great to hear from you.</p><p><br /></p><p>I'm going to have to respectfully disagree. Firstly, it's not re-branding, it's actually correcting. Contemporaneously, they were Romans. They were the legal and ongoing continuation of the eastern half of the Empire. Secondly, if we're talking re-branding, that's exactly what Byzantine is. They were never Byzantine, until about 100 years after the fall to the Ottomans.</p><p><br /></p><p>I call them Roman not out of revisionism (which as stated above, is exactly what Byzantine is), nor out of some sort of romantic view (it's just historical fact), nor political correctness (I'm not one to fuss too much about that) - but because it is the factually correct term to use. Goodness knows why Byzantine was invented (probably as some sort of West/Christian face saving thing at the time).</p><p><br /></p><p>Re this part:</p><p><br /></p><p>"The closest modern analogy I can think of would be something like Puerto Rico or Samoa; nominally part of America and whose inhabitants are US citizens but most of whom would find being called an "American" as comical, if not insulting."</p><p><br /></p><p>I would say it would be more like if the US invaded and occupied Canada for almost 500 years, with massive cultural and people exchange, and then the US decided to move its capital to Canada, with this new capital then being the capital of the entirety of North America for another 200 years, before Washington fell to a foreign state, and then the US/Canadians continuing to call themselves the USA.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="AussieCollector, post: 18664558, member: 81093"]Absolutely beautiful coin! You must have paid a pretty penny. But it ain't the end of the Empire ;) Speaking of which... Hey Rasiel, long time no see. Great to hear from you. I'm going to have to respectfully disagree. Firstly, it's not re-branding, it's actually correcting. Contemporaneously, they were Romans. They were the legal and ongoing continuation of the eastern half of the Empire. Secondly, if we're talking re-branding, that's exactly what Byzantine is. They were never Byzantine, until about 100 years after the fall to the Ottomans. I call them Roman not out of revisionism (which as stated above, is exactly what Byzantine is), nor out of some sort of romantic view (it's just historical fact), nor political correctness (I'm not one to fuss too much about that) - but because it is the factually correct term to use. Goodness knows why Byzantine was invented (probably as some sort of West/Christian face saving thing at the time). Re this part: "The closest modern analogy I can think of would be something like Puerto Rico or Samoa; nominally part of America and whose inhabitants are US citizens but most of whom would find being called an "American" as comical, if not insulting." I would say it would be more like if the US invaded and occupied Canada for almost 500 years, with massive cultural and people exchange, and then the US decided to move its capital to Canada, with this new capital then being the capital of the entirety of North America for another 200 years, before Washington fell to a foreign state, and then the US/Canadians continuing to call themselves the USA.[/QUOTE]
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