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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;cplradar, post: 7966828, member: 108985&quot;]Right of course. </p><p><br /></p><p>Fair Use is not a copyright infringement.&nbsp; The original image was much larger, more detailed and in color.&nbsp; I did exactly what was recommended by the courts in making fair use of the image.&nbsp; I degraded it and used it in a specific context.</p><p><br /></p><p>So, please don&#039;t accuse me of doing something I didn&#039;t do.</p><p><br /></p><p>Regardless, the site is privately owned and can make whatever provisions they want in order to protect themselves and enact DMCA provisions for copyright.&nbsp; The request to take down the image was fair enough.&nbsp; <b>The moral quid pro quo, though is just wrong.</b> </p><p><br /></p><p>Copyright infringement is a civil matter and is not theft.<b>&nbsp; It also doesn&#039;t get people SHOT</b> which the selling of stolen coins in the market actually promotes. </p><p><br /></p><p>So there is no inconsistency at all because there is no parallel. </p><p><br /></p><p>The reason why the safe harbor provisions where written into the DMCA was exactly to protect internet forums like this.</p><p><br /></p><p>Coins, OTOH, continue to be valuable and very portable widgets that are often hard to distinguish from each other by the naked hand and easy to disseminate back into the general market place.&nbsp; That makes coin dealers and collectors class A targets for theft and violence.&nbsp; <b>In fact, the informal structure of the Numismatics trade protects those who deal in stolen merchandise aggravates this situation, and that is not just a moral failure, but it is also dangerous. </b> This is the 21st Century and under a rational legal context, and with the proper use of technology, this crime can be largely eliminated.&nbsp; The elderly don&#039;t have to suffer from this constant threat of having there collections stolen by loved ones and care takers.&nbsp; If coins were protected like copyrighted works, we would be in heaven.&nbsp; In this case, the State of New York has recognized this problem and promotes awareness of it.&nbsp; Comparing that to the use of a degraded image that is protected by copyright, and that was used in a proper manner under fair use provisions, is more than stretching the facts.</p><p><br /></p><p>While I appreciate the rigorousness of policing the boards and assuring the forum rules are obeyed, and I have no problem with the request to remove the image, I object to the context that you made comparing this with regard to numismatic crime, which is a very serious issue in it&#039;s own right, and hangs over the hobby and the trade, whether others agree with the current status quo or not.&nbsp; Furthermore, our private conversations confirm to me that you are a fair minded person and a fine moderator, which makes me even more inclined to remove the offending post.&nbsp; I just couldn&#039;t do it because the forum times out my ability to make the requested edit.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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