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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Herberto, post: 2786407, member: 74222&quot;]That depends on what exactly you are suggesting, and how long you decide to stretch the timeline of the so-called&nbsp; “Dark Ages” as many scholars are beginning to avoid that term for obvious reasons. Nobody denies that the collapse of a Roman state in west was a huge blow in the large end with some few exception. What is denied is that Dark Ages did not last for 1000 years as Western Europe certainly started to progress around year 800 CE and onwards, and that it definitely did not entail all Europe giving that the Eastern Roman Empire survived and its institutions as well.</p><p><br /></p><p>(1)So if you are suggesting that after the collapse of Western Roman Empire a 1000 years of stagnation found place and that Europe suddenly awoke in Renaissance then you are not approximately close to what the academia is stating for the reasons mentioned above, and as the concept of “Renaissance” pretty much was a continuation of Middle Ages, and as it was a discourse made by Burkhardt, whose theories neither are accepted these days.</p><p><br /></p><p>(2)But if you are suggesting that after the collapse of Western Roman Empire a decline did find place in the first 2-3 centuries but that It otherwise started to progress around year 800 CE and that there were innovative (re)inventions in the fields of architecture, philosophy, agriculture and science, and that Byzantium did not experience a Dark Ages in the aftermath of the fall Western Roman Empire then I agree with you.</p><p><br /></p><p>Since you are saying that you don’t rely on the outdated Gibbon, and that you are a layman I assume you meant the second. If not, then there is something contradicting and I would like to know what your “other readings” are.&nbsp; <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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