The deceptive struck counterfeits keep showing up…

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Jack D. Young, Apr 2, 2020.

  1. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    One of the documented deceptive struck counterfeits is this 1836 “Gobrecht dollar” and I have previously posted about them in this forum. I actually wrote my initial summery article for Coin Week (https://coinweek.com/counterfeits/s...836-gobrecht-dollar-1-page-attribution-guide/) back in the summer of 2017 and had documented 8 different examples at the time. One of the known examples showed up for sale on a FB selling site in 2018 and was removed and sent back to the TPG for review (and purchased under their guarantee).

    This example is a “new discovery” from my initial article and I found it in a lunch time search today. I notified both the seller and my contact at the TPG; the cert was “killed” and the seller ended the auction…

    Images include this example with circles at the common main attribution marks, the illustration of the atts from my research and an image illustrating the progression of a counterfeit from the genuine holed to repaired source coin to the last example documented (prior to this one) from a Chinese seller.

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    Best, Jack.
     
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  3. Penna_Boy

    Penna_Boy Just a nobody from the past

    Very interesting. Thanks for posting this.
     
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  4. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    Hoping the owner of this latest one sends it in to the TPG for another look.
     
  5. gronnh20

    gronnh20 Well-Known Member

    The coin that looks pink(middle) in your photo of the 3 coins, is still an active cert number at NGC. The coin graded Details Plugged. It sold in a Heritage auction in Oct. 2019. What do you think is going on with NGC and this coin?

    I spent some time trying to dig through Gobrecht dollars yesterday when you posted this. It intrigues me that some one is willing to spend that kind of money on a coin without some diligent research first. One has to know with these expensive coins counterfeits are a given, even in a TPG holder. Thanks for posting your finds @Jack D. Young, even though it would be better if you didn't have to spend your time on finding fake coins.
     
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  6. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    Thanks @gronnh20, finding, researching and documenting these deceptive struck counterfeits is a passion and how I spend some of the free time I have!

    Yes, the repaired source is an "old friend" and I had documented it's latest sale at Heritage; it was also listed on the Bay for awhile but I didn't see it actually sell. Cert is good for that one; other certs for the struck clones have been killed as we discover them.
     
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  7. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    As a point of reference this example was certified in August of 2014.
     
  8. Mainebill

    Mainebill Wild Bill

    Wow that’s a deceptive one without comparing to the host coin. Good catch on that one. Not a $10k mistake I’d like to make
     
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  9. ksparrow

    ksparrow Coin Hoarder

    That's a scary fake. Great research and thanks for posting!
     
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