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<p>[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 2907734, member: 19463"]I agree with one minor reservation. Very rare coins can have extra demand if they have some other factor that makes them known to more people than can possibly own one. The EID MAR denarii are hardly rare with 80-100 known but the thousand or so people who regret not having one offsets the population count. Below are coins I will never own but would like to if only the other people richer than I would stop wanting the few that exist.</p><p><br /></p><p>The early Greek Phanes decided to write his name on coins inventing legends. </p><p><b>CNG 105, Lot: 290.</b> Estimate $15000.</p><p>Sold for $32011. This amount does not include the buyer’s fee.</p><p><br /></p><p><b>IONIA, Ephesos. <i>Phanes. </i></b>Circa 625-600 BC. EL Trite – Third Stater (14.5mm, 4.65 g). ΦANEO (in retrograde archaic Greek), stag grazing right, its dappled coat indicated by indentations on the body / Two incuse punches, each with raised intersecting lines. Weidauer 40; SNG München 14; ACGC 54; GPCG p. 98, 3; Kraay & Hirmer 585; Zhuyuetang 8. VF, lightly toned. Very rare, fewer than twenty trites of Phanes known.</p><p><img src="https://www.cngcoins.com/photos/big/10500290.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>The 'Poros' medallions/dekadrachms of Alexander have more theories as to why they were made than there are surviving specimens. It may well be the most expensive ancient coin in relation to the ugliness of the surviving specimens. When I was much younger, some thought these may have been issued in relation to the wedding of Alexander and his soldiers to women from the East. Other explanations have risen to higher promenance more recently. </p><p><a href="http://www.livius.org/sources/content/arrian/anabasis/the-weddings-in-susa/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.livius.org/sources/content/arrian/anabasis/the-weddings-in-susa/" rel="nofollow">http://www.livius.org/sources/content/arrian/anabasis/the-weddings-in-susa/</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Triton XVI, Lot: 284. Estimate $75000.</p><p>Sold for $75000. This amount does not include the buyer’s fee.</p><p><br /></p><p>KINGS of MACEDON. Alexander III ‘the Great’. 336-323 BC. AR ‘Medallion’ of 5 Shekels or Dekadrachm (33mm, 38.75 g, 5h). Local (Satrapal) mint in Babylon. Struck circa 325-323 BC. Alexander, wearing military attire and holding couched xyston in right hand, on Boukephalos rearing right, attacking toward an elephant retreating right, upon which sits a helmeted mahout, holding goad and spear in left hand, turning around to throw another spear held aloft in his right hand, and, behind him, another helmeted figure, who also is turning around, his right hand holding the tip of Alexander’s xyston; Ξ above / Alexander, wearing military attire and sword, standing facing, head left, holding thunderbolt in extended right hand, left hand holding spear set on ground to right; [above, Nike flying right, crowning him with wreath held in both her hands]; monogram to left. Price pp. 452–3 and pl. CLIX, G–H; F. Holt, Alexander the Great and the Mystery of the Elephant Medallions (Berkeley, 2003), Appendix A, E/A 10 (dies 2/F) = M.J. Price, “Circulation at Babylon in 323 B.C.” in Mnemata: Papers in Memory of Nancy M. Waggoner (New York, 1991), 13 = M.J. Price, “The ‘Porus’ Coinage of Alexander the Great: a Symbol of Concord and Community” in SPNO, Obv. B/Rev. d = MIG type 21, c (this coin). VF for type, toned, some minor cleaning marks, usual areas of weak strike, a few minor flan flaws. Extremely rare, one of ten examples known, five of which are in museums (ANS, BM [2], BN, and Copenhagen), and the only example from these dies.</p><p><img src="https://www.cngcoins.com/photos/enlarged/92000284.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>Finally: my #1 (I want this coin - not just any specimen) - It lacks the last letter of the name ΝΩΕ on the side of the box which is a much larger fault than the holes but I want the Septimius one. Gordian and Philip are more common. No one would care about this coin except it is said to depict Noah and his wife in and leaving their Arc (see the dove?).</p><p>SEPTIMIUS SEVERUS (193 - 211)</p><p>Apameia (Kibotos) in Phrygien</p><p>Großbronze, unter dem Agonotheten Artemas. AVT×K×L×CªPT - CªOVHPOC PªP-TI. Gepanzerte Porträtbüste des Kaisers mit Lorbeerkranz nach rechts. Rs: [ªΠI AΓO]NOΘª TO V APTEMA (im Abschnitt)AΠAMEΩ/N. Noah und seine Frau stehen in einer kastenförmigen Arche, deren Deckel aufgeklappt ist; links in einer zweiten Szenerie danken sie im Adorationsgestus Gott, darüber eine Taube (oder Rabe) mit Ölzweig im Schnabel nach rechts fliegend, auf dem Kastendeckel weiterer Vogel sitzend, auf dem Kasten NΩª 22,99g.</p><p><img src="https://www.acsearch.info/media/images/archive/86/1140/910868.m.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>Rarity means little unless........ or if you are like me and just like rare coins even if they are not popular and would be hard to sell.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 2907734, member: 19463"]I agree with one minor reservation. Very rare coins can have extra demand if they have some other factor that makes them known to more people than can possibly own one. The EID MAR denarii are hardly rare with 80-100 known but the thousand or so people who regret not having one offsets the population count. Below are coins I will never own but would like to if only the other people richer than I would stop wanting the few that exist. The early Greek Phanes decided to write his name on coins inventing legends. [B]CNG 105, Lot: 290.[/B] Estimate $15000. Sold for $32011. This amount does not include the buyer’s fee. [B]IONIA, Ephesos. [I]Phanes. [/I][/B]Circa 625-600 BC. EL Trite – Third Stater (14.5mm, 4.65 g). ΦANEO (in retrograde archaic Greek), stag grazing right, its dappled coat indicated by indentations on the body / Two incuse punches, each with raised intersecting lines. Weidauer 40; SNG München 14; ACGC 54; GPCG p. 98, 3; Kraay & Hirmer 585; Zhuyuetang 8. VF, lightly toned. Very rare, fewer than twenty trites of Phanes known. [IMG]https://www.cngcoins.com/photos/big/10500290.jpg[/IMG] The 'Poros' medallions/dekadrachms of Alexander have more theories as to why they were made than there are surviving specimens. It may well be the most expensive ancient coin in relation to the ugliness of the surviving specimens. When I was much younger, some thought these may have been issued in relation to the wedding of Alexander and his soldiers to women from the East. Other explanations have risen to higher promenance more recently. [url]http://www.livius.org/sources/content/arrian/anabasis/the-weddings-in-susa/[/url] Triton XVI, Lot: 284. Estimate $75000. Sold for $75000. This amount does not include the buyer’s fee. KINGS of MACEDON. Alexander III ‘the Great’. 336-323 BC. AR ‘Medallion’ of 5 Shekels or Dekadrachm (33mm, 38.75 g, 5h). Local (Satrapal) mint in Babylon. Struck circa 325-323 BC. Alexander, wearing military attire and holding couched xyston in right hand, on Boukephalos rearing right, attacking toward an elephant retreating right, upon which sits a helmeted mahout, holding goad and spear in left hand, turning around to throw another spear held aloft in his right hand, and, behind him, another helmeted figure, who also is turning around, his right hand holding the tip of Alexander’s xyston; Ξ above / Alexander, wearing military attire and sword, standing facing, head left, holding thunderbolt in extended right hand, left hand holding spear set on ground to right; [above, Nike flying right, crowning him with wreath held in both her hands]; monogram to left. Price pp. 452–3 and pl. CLIX, G–H; F. Holt, Alexander the Great and the Mystery of the Elephant Medallions (Berkeley, 2003), Appendix A, E/A 10 (dies 2/F) = M.J. Price, “Circulation at Babylon in 323 B.C.” in Mnemata: Papers in Memory of Nancy M. Waggoner (New York, 1991), 13 = M.J. Price, “The ‘Porus’ Coinage of Alexander the Great: a Symbol of Concord and Community” in SPNO, Obv. B/Rev. d = MIG type 21, c (this coin). VF for type, toned, some minor cleaning marks, usual areas of weak strike, a few minor flan flaws. Extremely rare, one of ten examples known, five of which are in museums (ANS, BM [2], BN, and Copenhagen), and the only example from these dies. [IMG]https://www.cngcoins.com/photos/enlarged/92000284.jpg[/IMG] Finally: my #1 (I want this coin - not just any specimen) - It lacks the last letter of the name ΝΩΕ on the side of the box which is a much larger fault than the holes but I want the Septimius one. Gordian and Philip are more common. No one would care about this coin except it is said to depict Noah and his wife in and leaving their Arc (see the dove?). SEPTIMIUS SEVERUS (193 - 211) Apameia (Kibotos) in Phrygien Großbronze, unter dem Agonotheten Artemas. AVT×K×L×CªPT - CªOVHPOC PªP-TI. Gepanzerte Porträtbüste des Kaisers mit Lorbeerkranz nach rechts. Rs: [ªΠI AΓO]NOΘª TO V APTEMA (im Abschnitt)AΠAMEΩ/N. Noah und seine Frau stehen in einer kastenförmigen Arche, deren Deckel aufgeklappt ist; links in einer zweiten Szenerie danken sie im Adorationsgestus Gott, darüber eine Taube (oder Rabe) mit Ölzweig im Schnabel nach rechts fliegend, auf dem Kastendeckel weiterer Vogel sitzend, auf dem Kasten NΩª 22,99g. [IMG]https://www.acsearch.info/media/images/archive/86/1140/910868.m.jpg[/IMG] Rarity means little unless........ or if you are like me and just like rare coins even if they are not popular and would be hard to sell.[/QUOTE]
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