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<p>[QUOTE="Numismat, post: 1329154, member: 15019"]There has always been controversy surrounding the Galapagos Islands "RA" countermark on late 1800's/early 1900's Ecuadorian silver coins. One theory is that they were made by a wealthy merchant, another is that they were used to pay prisoners, and yet another is that it's a modern fantasy altogether.</p><p>Please note this item and seller: <a href="http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335874456&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fitm%2FECUADOR-RARE-1897-1-SUCRE-CROWN-COUNTERMARK-GALAPAGOS-ISLAND-%2F150723149406%3Fpt%3DLH_DefaultDomain_0%26hash%3Ditem2317ccbe5e" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335874456&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fitm%2FECUADOR-RARE-1897-1-SUCRE-CROWN-COUNTERMARK-GALAPAGOS-ISLAND-%2F150723149406%3Fpt%3DLH_DefaultDomain_0%26hash%3Ditem2317ccbe5e" rel="nofollow">http://www.ebay.com/itm/ECUADOR-RARE-1897-1-SUCRE-CROWN-COUNTERMARK-GALAPAGOS-ISLAND-/150723149406?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2317ccbe5e</a></p><p><br /></p><p>He has consistently been selling them for the past few years. I'm not proud of this, but about a year ago I ended up buying three of the smaller countermarked coins from this seller and reselling them. Recently I've been doing more research on this and have only seen 1 example sold in a major auction (<a href="http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=332&lotNo=11605" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=332&lotNo=11605" rel="nofollow">http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=332&lotNo=11605</a>). That one had significant differences in the countermark compared to this seller's coins. The ones they sell are very consistent and all the countermarks look perfect regardless of the condition of the coin.</p><p><br /></p><p>In fact, I have yet to find any example where the countermark shows natural wear, which goes against the first two theories. Also, I've never seen one graded by any major TGP.</p><p><br /></p><p>So, I just went and pulled a little stunt and asked the seller about buying a larger lot of these. He informed me he had a few on hand, but indicated he can get more if I was interested. This supposedly endless supply is a huge red flag IMO.</p><p>Also found it interesting that the story in his descriptions combines the first two theories. I've never seen that anywhere else in the research I've done.</p><p><br /></p><p>This seems to be a case where someone fashioned a modern countermark punch and is putting it on regular and much cheaper Ecuadorian coins. The seller also sells the regular coins side by side with the countermarked ones. It's something that has lore, controversy, and no real facts attached and the seller has been able to take advantage for years without anyone challenging his coins or story.</p><p><br /></p><p>As far as the question of the legitimacy of the Galapagos Islands countermark in general: There's no evidence from the time period they were supposedly circulated, but there are records of them from before this seller and countermark type first appeared.</p><p><br /></p><p>The Heritage auction from 2003 shows that people were catching on to it even before this seller started out, but they have been successful with it.</p><p><br /></p><p>Thoughts?[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Numismat, post: 1329154, member: 15019"]There has always been controversy surrounding the Galapagos Islands "RA" countermark on late 1800's/early 1900's Ecuadorian silver coins. One theory is that they were made by a wealthy merchant, another is that they were used to pay prisoners, and yet another is that it's a modern fantasy altogether. Please note this item and seller: [URL="http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335874456&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fitm%2FECUADOR-RARE-1897-1-SUCRE-CROWN-COUNTERMARK-GALAPAGOS-ISLAND-%2F150723149406%3Fpt%3DLH_DefaultDomain_0%26hash%3Ditem2317ccbe5e"]http://www.ebay.com/itm/ECUADOR-RARE-1897-1-SUCRE-CROWN-COUNTERMARK-GALAPAGOS-ISLAND-/150723149406?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2317ccbe5e[/URL] He has consistently been selling them for the past few years. I'm not proud of this, but about a year ago I ended up buying three of the smaller countermarked coins from this seller and reselling them. Recently I've been doing more research on this and have only seen 1 example sold in a major auction ([URL]http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=332&lotNo=11605[/URL]). That one had significant differences in the countermark compared to this seller's coins. The ones they sell are very consistent and all the countermarks look perfect regardless of the condition of the coin. In fact, I have yet to find any example where the countermark shows natural wear, which goes against the first two theories. Also, I've never seen one graded by any major TGP. So, I just went and pulled a little stunt and asked the seller about buying a larger lot of these. He informed me he had a few on hand, but indicated he can get more if I was interested. This supposedly endless supply is a huge red flag IMO. Also found it interesting that the story in his descriptions combines the first two theories. I've never seen that anywhere else in the research I've done. This seems to be a case where someone fashioned a modern countermark punch and is putting it on regular and much cheaper Ecuadorian coins. The seller also sells the regular coins side by side with the countermarked ones. It's something that has lore, controversy, and no real facts attached and the seller has been able to take advantage for years without anyone challenging his coins or story. As far as the question of the legitimacy of the Galapagos Islands countermark in general: There's no evidence from the time period they were supposedly circulated, but there are records of them from before this seller and countermark type first appeared. The Heritage auction from 2003 shows that people were catching on to it even before this seller started out, but they have been successful with it. Thoughts?[/QUOTE]
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