The coins of Cato

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  1. Basileus Antialcidas

    Basileus Antialcidas Active Member

    I was wondering if anyone could help me understand how we can tell Cato's the eldest from Cato's the youngest coins. I was looking at wildwinds and it seemed to me that they had the exact same denarius and quinarius types. Am I missing something? Thank you all in advance for your answers!
     
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  3. akeady

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  4. Clavdivs

    Clavdivs Well-Known Member

    Correct me if I am wrong here (there is a high chance of that!) - but I do not believe there are any coins struck under Cato the Elder.
    Cato the Younger - yes... (those featuring "Pro PR")
    Earlier coins struck with the name "Cato" are for some other unknown relative (?) as I do not think the dates line up with Cato the Elder's career... I tried to make mine fit - but couldn't.
     
  5. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    that is my understanding also....'this coin is not what i thought it was when i bought it, nor is it what think it is now' is my old saying :D..but i do have one Cato quinarius from the social war era... greek hemidrachm parion c.480 bc siglos cato quinarius 009.JPG greek hemidrachm parion c.480 bc siglos cato quinarius 008.JPG
     
  6. Clavdivs

    Clavdivs Well-Known Member

    Yes - that is a nice example.
    Mine looks like it endured more than just the Social War.... but it was super cheap... and they're kinda cool.

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  7. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Cato the Elder was during the Second Punic War or the War with Hannibal.

    Marcus Porcius Cato (/ˈkeɪtoʊ/, 234 – 149 BC), also known as Cato the Censor (Latin: Cato Censorius), the Elder (Major) and the Wise (Sapiens),
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    He died before his famous "Cartago Delenda Est" was carried out in 146 BCE.

    Here are my LATER Catos...

    WHEN GAIUS GRACHUS ELECTED TRIBUNE FIRST TIME
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    RR Porcius Cato 123 BCE AR Den Roma X Victory Biga S 149 Cr 274-1


    SOCIAL WAR
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    RR AR Quinarius 89 BCE M Porcius Cato Liber Bacchus - Victory- Crawford 343-2. Sear 248


    WILD-MAN CATO
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    RR Porcius Cato AR Quinarius 89 BC Bacchus Liber Victory seated S 248 Cr 343-2
     
  8. Volodya

    Volodya Junior Member

    A couple of coins of the Younger:

    Crawford 462/1a
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    Crawford 462/1c
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    Phil Davis
     
  9. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    An IMITATIVE CATO... this one is out of control:
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    Imitating Octavian-M. Porcius Cato AR quinarius 13.89 mm 1.29g imitating Octavian r blundered legend - Victory seated r patera Cr 343-462 R
     
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  11. Orielensis

    Orielensis Well-Known Member

    Here is a fairly nice quinarius from 89 BC. The legens on the reverse reads "M CATO:"
    Römische Republik – RRC 343:2b, Quinar, M Cato, Liber und Victoria (Foto 2).png
    Roman Republic, moneyer: M. Cato, AR quinarius, 89 BC, Rome mint. Obv: M CATO; head of Liber r., wearing ivy-wreath; below, control mark (torch?). Rev: VICTRIX; Victory seated r., holding patera in r. hand and palm-branch over l. shoulder. 14mm, 2.12g. Ref: RRC 343/2b.

    This wretchedly worn coin came in a lot. Only a mother could love it in this state. Yet, you can still make out (in hand) that the legend reads "M CATO PRO PR", making it attributable to Cato Uticensis in 47/6 BC:
    Römische Republik – RRC 462:2, Quinarius, Cato Uticensis, Liber (neues Foto).png
    Roman Republic, struck by Marcus Porcius Cato Uticensis, AR quinarius, 47–46 BC, mint in Africa, probably Utica. Obv: Head of Liber r., wearing ivy-wreath; below, M CATO PRO PR. Rev: Victory seated r., holding patera hand and palm-branch; in exergue, [VICTRIX]. 14mm, 1.39g. Ref: RRC 462/2.
     
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  12. ominus1

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  13. Andrew McCabe

    Andrew McCabe Well-Known Member

    My younger Cato. Possibly the best centred example in the universe
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    And my social war type. I like the rather crude portrait style.
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