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<p>[QUOTE="BenSi, post: 25953603, member: 95174"]DOC only had 2 examples over 3gm. In my collection, I have zero. Now my collection is not random, over half I picked the other half were in group lots or purchased collections. This is over a span of 20+ years. </p><p><br /></p><p>All coins in my collection under 1gm seem to be an imitation except one it comes in at .91g, ( I excluded them because of flipped letters or style issues.) This is what matches DOC IV 45 series. </p><p><br /></p><p>I have 12 examples from 1gm to 1.9gm majority of those under 1.5gm </p><p><br /></p><p>I have 6 other examples over 2gm but none over 2.2 gm </p><p><br /></p><p>As for die sizes almost impossible to compare because of the incomplete design on the flans. <u>However, looking at the crosses and letters they are not universal.</u> Some larger, some more in scale. This fits int the two examples above you posted. </p><p><br /></p><p>When looking at DOC IV 45 ( SBCV-1932) data under 45A they show 45 examples . Two examples are over 3.g 10 examples at 2gm and 11 examples between one and two gm. They then go to 45B examples and those seem to be by description imitations, as you re call DOC did not exclude them all are much lower weights. Same with C and D they might just be lighter weight coins. </p><p><br /></p><p>So even if these coins were circulating with other tetartera they are definitely significantly lighter on average than the other full tetartera of the time. So, the theory of a half still must stand. The unknown mint is being questioned as Thessalonica. this is recent find data(2008 to 2015) from the new metro dig finds. </p><p>[ATTACH=full]1651655[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>Full article. </p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.academia.edu/38079999/The_Byzantine_Numismatic_Single_Finds_from_the_Thessalonica_Metro_Archaeological_Excavations_2008_2015_pdf" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.academia.edu/38079999/The_Byzantine_Numismatic_Single_Finds_from_the_Thessalonica_Metro_Archaeological_Excavations_2008_2015_pdf" rel="nofollow">(5) The Byzantine Numismatic Single Finds from the Thessalonica Metro Archaeological Excavations 2008-2015.pdf | Eleni Lianta - Academia.edu</a></p><p><br /></p><p>I wish we could see the examples of what they found sizes and weights, that perhaps would answer more questions about the issue. What is official and what is imitated, we clearly know late imitations looked like but what about other imitations?[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="BenSi, post: 25953603, member: 95174"]DOC only had 2 examples over 3gm. In my collection, I have zero. Now my collection is not random, over half I picked the other half were in group lots or purchased collections. This is over a span of 20+ years. All coins in my collection under 1gm seem to be an imitation except one it comes in at .91g, ( I excluded them because of flipped letters or style issues.) This is what matches DOC IV 45 series. I have 12 examples from 1gm to 1.9gm majority of those under 1.5gm I have 6 other examples over 2gm but none over 2.2 gm As for die sizes almost impossible to compare because of the incomplete design on the flans. [U]However, looking at the crosses and letters they are not universal.[/U] Some larger, some more in scale. This fits int the two examples above you posted. When looking at DOC IV 45 ( SBCV-1932) data under 45A they show 45 examples . Two examples are over 3.g 10 examples at 2gm and 11 examples between one and two gm. They then go to 45B examples and those seem to be by description imitations, as you re call DOC did not exclude them all are much lower weights. Same with C and D they might just be lighter weight coins. So even if these coins were circulating with other tetartera they are definitely significantly lighter on average than the other full tetartera of the time. So, the theory of a half still must stand. The unknown mint is being questioned as Thessalonica. this is recent find data(2008 to 2015) from the new metro dig finds. [ATTACH=full]1651655[/ATTACH] Full article. [URL='https://www.academia.edu/38079999/The_Byzantine_Numismatic_Single_Finds_from_the_Thessalonica_Metro_Archaeological_Excavations_2008_2015_pdf'](5) The Byzantine Numismatic Single Finds from the Thessalonica Metro Archaeological Excavations 2008-2015.pdf | Eleni Lianta - Academia.edu[/URL] I wish we could see the examples of what they found sizes and weights, that perhaps would answer more questions about the issue. What is official and what is imitated, we clearly know late imitations looked like but what about other imitations?[/QUOTE]
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