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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;TheRed, post: 7444164, member: 87080&quot;]Thanks for clearing up the confusion [USER=84744]@Severus Alexander[/USER]&nbsp; That is a great coin of Maximian (?), I find it funny that the mistake was being made roughly 1000 years before Edward&#039;s die engravers were making it.&nbsp; Having to engrave in the reverse is provably much more difficult than I imagine.</p><p><br /></p><p>To your points [USER=10461]@lordmarcovan[/USER]&nbsp; and [USER=110504]@+VGO.DVCKS[/USER]&nbsp; the technology of die engraving was going through a real change under Edward III.&nbsp; The new coinage of Edward I still utilised composite letters in the legends, including retrograde N.&nbsp; Here is a penny of his that I bought because of the quality of the legends.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1291325[/ATTACH] </p><p>It&#039;s really easy to see the punches that were used to make letters like the X, O, D, and W.&nbsp; </p><p><br /></p><p>By the time Edward III introduced the groat in his 4th coinage that was still the case.&nbsp; Class B groats are identifiable because of the composite M and E in the legends.&nbsp; Here is my example where it is clear on the reverse.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1291326[/ATTACH] </p><p>That began to change with later issues of coins.&nbsp; The M changes from composite to the Lombardic M made with a single punch.&nbsp; The composite letters E, C, R, and S in the series B groat also change to an integral letter from a single punch over the course of Edwards reign.&nbsp; By the time post-tray groats are being issued in 1369 the only letters that are a composite is the N in the inner reverse legend and the X in the obverse legend.&nbsp; The example of a post-treaty groat below has great legends.&nbsp; </p><p>[ATTACH=full]1291328[/ATTACH] </p><p>Sadly not my coin, I don&#039;t have $3k for a groat.&nbsp; The coins of Richard II are very similar to those of his grandfather, and still retain composite letters such as the N in LON/DON on the reverse of his groats.&nbsp; My example is Type III from London.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1291332[/ATTACH] </p><p>It is my understanding that composite letters don&#039;t disappear from English silver hammered coins until the reign of Henry IV and his light coinage.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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