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<p>[QUOTE="cmezner, post: 7809771, member: 87809"]Most probably this story is not about the coin. </p><p><br /></p><p>The cognomen Thurinus is documented by Suetonius, who was not a contemporary of Augustus, but is not documented elsewhere. </p><p><br /></p><p>One can read in the Life of the 12 Caesars (Suetonius, Augustus, 7.1): "In his infancy he was given the surname Thurinus in memory of the home of his ancestors, or else because it was near Thurii that his father p131 Octavius, shortly after the birth of his son, had gained his victory over the runaway slaves." </p><p><br /></p><p>Cassius Dio, who was also not contemporary with Augustus, tells that "Kaipias" (<a href="http://www.ut.ee/klassik/sht/2005/ryan6_a.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.ut.ee/klassik/sht/2005/ryan6_a.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ut.ee/klassik/sht/2005/ryan6_a.html</a>) was another cognomen of Augustus. </p><p><br /></p><p>From 38 BC at the latest, Octavian officially dropped all of his names except "Caesar", and began using the victory title Imperator ("commander").</p><p><br /></p><p>By 15 BC, at the time when the OP coin was minted, Tiberius and Nero Claudius Drusus had annexed Raetia and Noricum, the Alpine provinces which spanned the mountain range to the Danube and the Romans had gained control of the major invasion routes from Germania to Italy. This was followed by Nero Claudius Drusus being sent to Germania and Tiberius to Illyria. While Tiberius brought Pannonia and Dalmatia under the Roman control, his brother led four campaigns in Germania between the Elbe and the Rhine.</p><p><br /></p><p>Since only according to Suetonius, Thurinus was a former cognomen of Augustus, it doesn't seem plausible that on the Lugdunum coin series of 15 BC the bull is referring to Augustus former cognomen, not to forget that the bull was a symbol of Mars Ultor and the issue has the legend IMP X.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="cmezner, post: 7809771, member: 87809"]Most probably this story is not about the coin. The cognomen Thurinus is documented by Suetonius, who was not a contemporary of Augustus, but is not documented elsewhere. One can read in the Life of the 12 Caesars (Suetonius, Augustus, 7.1): "In his infancy he was given the surname Thurinus in memory of the home of his ancestors, or else because it was near Thurii that his father p131 Octavius, shortly after the birth of his son, had gained his victory over the runaway slaves." Cassius Dio, who was also not contemporary with Augustus, tells that "Kaipias" ([URL]http://www.ut.ee/klassik/sht/2005/ryan6_a.html[/URL]) was another cognomen of Augustus. From 38 BC at the latest, Octavian officially dropped all of his names except "Caesar", and began using the victory title Imperator ("commander"). By 15 BC, at the time when the OP coin was minted, Tiberius and Nero Claudius Drusus had annexed Raetia and Noricum, the Alpine provinces which spanned the mountain range to the Danube and the Romans had gained control of the major invasion routes from Germania to Italy. This was followed by Nero Claudius Drusus being sent to Germania and Tiberius to Illyria. While Tiberius brought Pannonia and Dalmatia under the Roman control, his brother led four campaigns in Germania between the Elbe and the Rhine. Since only according to Suetonius, Thurinus was a former cognomen of Augustus, it doesn't seem plausible that on the Lugdunum coin series of 15 BC the bull is referring to Augustus former cognomen, not to forget that the bull was a symbol of Mars Ultor and the issue has the legend IMP X.[/QUOTE]
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