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<p>[QUOTE="lrbguy, post: 3079690, member: 88829"]Actually, Schnädelbach does not say this reading comes from Göbl. His actual statement is:</p><p>"Humbach identifies a very similar countermark (Göbl 59, <i>PhOR</i>,after 686), as one belonging to the ruler Phromo Kesaro who is known from coins as well." </p><p><br /></p><p>As I read Schnädelbach, the Göbl reference here is to a similar mark not having the final "o." It is apparently illustrated in Göbl 59, and there Göbl dates the coin bearing said mark to after 686 AD. According to Schnädelbach, Humbach and Göbl do not agree on the dating of the coins struck for/by Phromo Kesaro; Humbach opting for 680 to 700, but Göbl placing him after 745 AD. It would appear that if Göbl dates the <i>PhOR </i>mark to sometime after 686, but presumably not three quarters of a century later, then Göbl did not associate the mark with Phromo Kesaro. That sits better for me inasmuch as I was having trouble seeing how <i>PhOR</i> or <i>PhORO</i> was related to <i>Phromo. </i>Nonetheless, Schnädelbach does make that leap.</p><p><br /></p><p>The best example of this mark I was able to find is on a coin of Hormizd IV from a link at the zeno.ru site: <a href="https://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=37833" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=37833" rel="nofollow">https://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=37833</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Here is that mark: [ATTACH=full]775274[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>In this example it appears to me that there is a gap between the initial "o" and the Bactrian (þ) š . While it is debatable that the gap is as large as it is between other letters, it is not what we expect for the Bactrian Phi, as that letter appeared to us in the Rabatak inscription. I am dubious of the reading <i>PhORO</i>, and would submit <b>O</b><font size="6">š</font><b>ORO </b>or<b> O</b> <font size="6">š</font><b>ORO, </b>whatever either of those might mean. But given the other examples of this lettering, and my incapacity in Bactrian language, neither do I want to make too much of a single clear example. So I will give you the data and leave it here.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="lrbguy, post: 3079690, member: 88829"]Actually, Schnädelbach does not say this reading comes from Göbl. His actual statement is: "Humbach identifies a very similar countermark (Göbl 59, [I]PhOR[/I],after 686), as one belonging to the ruler Phromo Kesaro who is known from coins as well." As I read Schnädelbach, the Göbl reference here is to a similar mark not having the final "o." It is apparently illustrated in Göbl 59, and there Göbl dates the coin bearing said mark to after 686 AD. According to Schnädelbach, Humbach and Göbl do not agree on the dating of the coins struck for/by Phromo Kesaro; Humbach opting for 680 to 700, but Göbl placing him after 745 AD. It would appear that if Göbl dates the [I]PhOR [/I]mark to sometime after 686, but presumably not three quarters of a century later, then Göbl did not associate the mark with Phromo Kesaro. That sits better for me inasmuch as I was having trouble seeing how [I]PhOR[/I] or [I]PhORO[/I] was related to [I]Phromo. [/I]Nonetheless, Schnädelbach does make that leap. The best example of this mark I was able to find is on a coin of Hormizd IV from a link at the zeno.ru site: [url]https://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=37833[/url] Here is that mark: [ATTACH=full]775274[/ATTACH] In this example it appears to me that there is a gap between the initial "o" and the Bactrian (þ) š . While it is debatable that the gap is as large as it is between other letters, it is not what we expect for the Bactrian Phi, as that letter appeared to us in the Rabatak inscription. I am dubious of the reading [I]PhORO[/I], and would submit [B]O[/B][SIZE=6]š[/SIZE][B]ORO [/B]or[B] O[/B] [SIZE=6]š[/SIZE][B]ORO, [/B]whatever either of those might mean. But given the other examples of this lettering, and my incapacity in Bactrian language, neither do I want to make too much of a single clear example. So I will give you the data and leave it here.[/QUOTE]
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