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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;dougsmit, post: 2098437, member: 19463&quot;]TIF&#039;s coin is a #4 where the rider is off the horse and (almost) seated on the ground like the one I posted at the top of this second page.&nbsp; My coin is doublestruck and worn losing the rump circles.&nbsp; #7 and #8 are variations of what we call FH3 reaching where the rider is on the horse but twists around and reaches back in an attempt to fend off the attack.&nbsp; JA&#039;s super nice Heraclea is an 8 because the soldier is resting his knee on the back of the horse.&nbsp;&nbsp; On the first page, Bing showed a typical #7 where the rider is fending off the blow as on 8 but the soldier is standing behind the horse with his feet on the ground rather than kneeling on the horse.&nbsp; I never would have made that distinction a major difference but it was not my book and the author gets to do things his way.&nbsp; When this book was published I was in high school, owned no FH coins and did not read German.&nbsp; If I had known about it, I would not have bought it. </p><p><br /></p><p>Lets remember that the categories shown by Bruck and numbered by JA for the purpose of this thread are based on observations rather than concrete and certain differences.&nbsp; There may be a coin where the soldier is sort of half way close to lifting his knee - neither on nor off.&nbsp; I don&#039;t know.&nbsp; The big difference I see here is the knee on #8 type is given as a size III by Bruck while the standing soldier type is a size II.&nbsp; I&#039;ll show a larger (II or AE2) #7 where the soldier is starting to step in but the tail of the horse is still between him and the rider.&nbsp; </p><p>[ATTACH=full]394181[/ATTACH] </p><p>and a smaller (III or AE3) #8 where the soldier has moved his knee onto the horse.&nbsp; The tail of the horse is no longer between the soldier and rider.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]394183[/ATTACH] </p><p>I rather suspect that this design change was done when the flan size got smaller and they wanted to make the scene a little more compact.&nbsp; Bruck was a very observant gentleman who should be given great credit for seeing that these coins are different in patterns not just randomly or sloppily done as most people who look down their noses at late Romans might believe.&nbsp; The book may not be perfect but it still is borderline amazing.&nbsp; In 1961 there were people who would consider buying a book with a title suggesting you might collect poorly preserved coins.&nbsp; Today, we would not have named it in this way.&nbsp; I might suggest &quot;An attribution guide for fine die variations&quot; or something on that order.&nbsp; I own very few coins poorly enough preserved that I can not identify them without Bruck.&nbsp; That does not mean that I do not enjoy having all these tidbits pointed out.&nbsp; I once corresponded with a very old man who was working on a study of the meanings of the laurel ties and the knot patterns in them.&nbsp; He died and, as far as I know, no one took up his cause.&nbsp; Coin trivia?[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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