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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;dougsmit, post: 2070242, member: 19463&quot;]I have not read the original statement here but I wonder if we need to be careful using the word struck here.&nbsp; I believe the first series struck rather than cast (aes grave) included the uncia which&nbsp; has Roma or Bellona depending who you read.&nbsp; Mine is 14.17g which would make it semilibral standard.&nbsp; The heavier unciae I have seen were cast including some of the same obverse and reverse design so I&#039;d say these cast ones were the first with Roma head.&nbsp; The only cast bronze I have is a turtle sextans (2 unciae) at 38.4g which would still seem too light to be liberal standard but I have not studied what to expect on these.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]383122[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]383121[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>I someone was thinking of buying me a present, I would not mind the liberal Janus as currently on the market by Ed Waddell.&nbsp; At 278.77g, it is just a little under theoretical liberal standard and would be quite close enough to perfect by my standards.&nbsp;&nbsp; When I started wanting a liberal as, you could get them for $1000.&nbsp; Those were the good old days.&nbsp; Style seems to mean a lot on these since some are much more crude and half the price of nice ones in the same state of preservation.&nbsp; Relatively few seem to be worn.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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