The Battle for Caesar's Story

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  1. Clavdivs

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    As a member I will comment as I like. My posts are always within the rules of the forum.
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  3. Clavdivs

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    the audience should not matter ...
  4. Pavlos

    Pavlos You pick out the big men. I'll make them brave!

    Welcome @kirispupis! and a nice coin.

    @Clavdivs If you think it is incorrect, then come with the right answer rather than making remarks about it. Nothing wrong with misunderstandings, mistakes and corrections, we are all here to enjoy and learn...
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  5. Clavdivs

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    Yes learn .. Not to pontificate on matters.. all the while changing historical fact to fit a particular audience. As for my remarks? That is not for you to decide.
  6. Roerbakmix

    Roerbakmix Well-Known Member

    Why so tense, @Clavdivs? Did Caesar take your silver as well?
  7. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    I am here to learn, prove that this didn't happen. If you can't then quit trolling it's not a good look.
  8. Clavdivs

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    I will add a couple of coins... I am not sure what your trolling reply has to do with a Coin forum?


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  9. Clavdivs

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    Maybe... depends on the audience I guess?
  10. DonnaML

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    Actually, I'm not senior at all. I've been here only a little more than a year! I just talk a lot.
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  11. Mammothtooth

    Mammothtooth Stand up Philosopher, Vodka Taster

    Here,Here. We are all searching for the truth. When I pick up a arrow head in the Badlands I look around, as if it was just put there. It is a thrill to hold it, thinking it may have been an errant shot at a bison, or just dropped. I have a lot of them and sometimes after a couple of Vodkas I stare at them and wonder. Nothing more, just wonder.
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  12. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE Supporter

    Welcome, @kirispupis ...

    My Caesar Elephant was minted the year he crossed the Rubicon, but I think mine has his poop all over the place due to him walking around a bit (perhaps he had a bad day) ...

    Roman Republic
    Julius Caesar
    AR Denarius
    49 BCE
    Traveling Mint
    Elephant trampling snake-
    Bronze adhered from hoard
    Sear 1399 Craw 443-1
  13. Limes

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    This made me laugh!

    And this made me laugh too :)
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  14. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE Supporter

    Thank you. Having a little humor help Life go on. Although I have been told that I am quite Stoic when folks meet me, I do enjoy dry humor.
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  15. kirispupis

    kirispupis Well-Known Member

    Two other possibilities I enjoy telling my kids about this coin:
    1) It seems probable that someone who held this coin actually saw Julius Caesar. Presumably at one point or another he addressed his legions, so while not certain - it seems likely. Also, since many scholars believe Caesar himself dictated this design, he may have visited the mint itself (which was travelling with him), and those working at the mint would have seen him.
    2) The paper I already quoted estimates that a bit over 21 million of these were minted, making it the third most widely produced republican coin. Presumably, Caesar would have held a number over his lifetime. Therefore, while the odds are low that Julius Caesar held this exact coin, they are better than winning the lottery.

    It's these possible connections that make this such an interesting hobby. None of my other myriad hobbies (most of those are now sold - except for a Space Patch collection - anybody?) ever had me reading so much. I'm almost finished with Ghost on the Throne and am about to descend into The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, followed by Plutarch's Lives.
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  16. DonnaML

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    I know you blocked me a while back (which I was quite content to learn), and only saw my welcome to @kirispupis because someone quoted it. But: please leave me alone. Stop poking at me and embarrassing yourself with passive-aggressive, juvenile comments. My welcome to kirispupis was not an attack on you.

    Your bitterness about our little dispute isn't an attractive look. Try to remember that it started with your attacking me out of nowhere by calling my unremarkable explanation to someone of the close genetic relationship among Ashkenazi Jews "propaganda," and then refusing to explain what you meant despite repeated requests. And then accusing me of calling you an anti-Semite because I asked if there were political reasons for your "propaganda" claim. And then pursuing me in other threads and complaining that I was receiving favorable treatment and thought I "owned" this forum. You brought all of it on yourself by choosing to attack me and then refusing to explain your attack. So I'll repeat myself: leave me alone. Remember posting about how wonderful it felt to put me on ignore? Please take your own advice. Don't say anything about me, and I won't say anything about you.
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  17. DonnaML

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    I do have one: the river in question is spelled "Rubicon," not "Rubikon." The latter might be the spelling if the river were located in Greece, but as a general rule of thumb, Latin words don't have a whole lot of "k's" in the middle of them. The Romans preferred "c's"!
  18. kirispupis

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    I've had a lot of struggles with this lately. For example, most auction houses spell the name "Kassander", but to find his entry on Wikipedia I needed "Cassander". Similarly, I see "Demetrius Poliorcetes" or "Demetrios Poliorketes." I therefore called it the "Rubikon" since most of my auction houses favor k's, but you've set me straight so I'll use a "c" for Roman names and an (arbitrary) "k" for Greek names.

    I just hope the Persians don't use a "ck". :)
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  19. kevin McGonigal

    kevin McGonigal Well-Known Member

    I don't have the exact citation at hand, but if recall correctly Caesar, needing the cash, went to the treasury which was being guarded by a lone Tribune of the People who refused Caesar access. Caesar losing patience said something like, young man I find it more difficult to just tell you to get out of the way than actually to just do it. The young tribune moved and Caesar emptied the building. I have no idea what coins he had made from this silver but maybe at least some of it was already coined silver and it was a hodge-podge of coins that he obtained.
  20. kevin McGonigal

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    On the letter K in Latin. When a student I tried to memorize all words in Latin by their first letter. I was delighted when I got to the letter K. I memorized the entire vocabulary of words beginning with K in about 15 seconds, all two of them, Kalendrae, the calends of the month (the first day of a month)and every once in a while Karthago appears spelled that way instead of with a C. On the other hand the letter I was a real witch.
  21. DonnaML

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    Is Carthago ever spelled with a K on coins? See the C used in the legend in the exergue on the reverse of this coin:

    Septimius Severus, Indulgentia, Dea Caelestis & lion - jpg version.jpg
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