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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;DonnaML, post: 7402079, member: 110350&quot;]And yet they reached and besieged Vienna as late as 1683. One could just as easily pick that year as an arbitrary end-point of the Empire (even accepting the premise that being past one&#039;s peak equals the end), except for the fact that it doesn&#039;t fit the person&#039;s theory.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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