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Message:: [QUOTE="Insider, post: 8434134, member: 24314"]Conder101, posted: "But a new obv pairing would also create a new variety/ die marriage.  If you have a VAM-4 and you change the obv die, you no longer have a VAM-4." LOL, EXACTLY!!  If the Mint Mark is not in the exact same location for the long held VAM-4 die states <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />oops: an error in MHO) THERE IS ANOTHER DIE PAIR <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie57" alt=":jawdrop:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie46" alt=":facepalm:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> and the LDS/EDS crap for these coins goes <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie23" alt=":bigtears:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> Bye-Bye <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie23" alt=":bigtears:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />.  There is NO WAY on earth that a die with a weak jumble of marks that looks like an "S" BECOMES a very strong, sharp, "S" inside the "O" after the die becomes MORE USED!  It is made up nonsense. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie3" alt=":(" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> Look, please allow me to give myself a pat on the back.  We all build on knowledge provided to us by those numismatists who came before.  They were not perfect.  We are not perfect either; however, with the passage of time, better tools for examination, and more interest, the status quo is occasionally changed.  That allows all the "New Guys" to slam much of Walter Breen's contributions for example.  In 1972, when I started at the ANA's Certification Service, the first time an "1869/8" Indian cent was submitted, I showed Chuck that it was actually a 9/9.  There was no such thing as a 9/8 but that's what it was considered from before I was born!  Chuck let me write this "discovery" in our Numismatist magazine column.  ANYONE with a microscope or hand lens could have seen what I saw decades previously.  They just went along.  That's what I believe is going on with the O/S coins.  Experts determined the LDS/EDS long ago and it has stuck.  It was obvious to me long ago that som-ting-wong <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie96" alt=":vomit:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />  I have not been able to prove the obvious - you cannot make a pile of bricks LOOK LIKE A HOUSE!  <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie12" alt="o_O" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> Finally, the different position of the "O" (if confirmed) will get folks to take another look at the die state nonsense for the other O/S Vams. Condor continued:  "I've seen his [ROGER] comments on that and I don't buy it.  [Me either.  If the "S" were filled on the die and obliterated before the "O" was punched, there could never be a strong slash ("S") inside the "O."]You would still have to heat the die enough to melt the steel bits and at least partially melt the die in that  area so the fill could mix and bond with the steel of the die.  I would think that would cause distortions in the face of the die.  And the die would still not be homogenous so the hardening and tempering of that area would still be different from the rest of the die.  I would expect a rapid failing of the die in that area."   Great point.  The die did fail.  A clear strong "S" inside the "O" broke down. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie8" alt=":D" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />[/QUOTE]

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