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<p>[QUOTE="WingedLiberty, post: 1409274, member: 26030"]Hey Lehigh, By the way i LOVE your 1941-D Jefferson. Wow</p><p><br /></p><p>Ok, you know I love a good challenge and you threw down the gauntlet!</p><p><br /></p><p>First off, just to be fair, you can't change my Flash Index system then say it doesn't work!</p><p><br /></p><p>If you take a look at this page that details the system:</p><p><a href="http://100greatestmirrorprooflincolns.com/flash.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://100greatestmirrorprooflincolns.com/flash.html" rel="nofollow">http://100greatestmirrorprooflincolns.com/flash.html</a></p><p><br /></p><p>You will see that No Color or Minor Color on a side scores 0 in all four color categories. Whether that is a good or fair system, I am starting to have doubts as your thoughts on some of the moster toned Morgans have color on only 1 side is a good one. For Lincoln cents, it's interesting but typically the toning is on both sides. In any case, I do wonder if a better system would be to ignore an untoned side completely ... still is THAT fair to coins that have both sides with monster toning? shouldn't that have a some sort of premium. These are all great questions and will have to give that more thought!!!</p><p><br /></p><p>So any way back to your Jeffersons. I did the tweak to Flash Index system for MS coins vs. Proofs ... where the Proof Categories "Mirrors and Sparkle" are replaced with MS Categories "Brightness and Luster". (Brightness is basically a judgement of the brightness or shine off the high points of the design (a quality which adds to a toned coin's appeal (IMHO)).</p><p><br /></p><p>So I scored your two Jefferson is my Flash Index system below.</p><p><br /></p><p>Since your 1950 shows "minor color" on the reverse, it scores 0 in four color categories.</p><p><br /></p><p>So using Flash, the 1941-D scores a "Gold Level" toning score with a near perfect 9.6 (out of 10) ... while the 1950 scored a medeocre 5.9, well below the lowest "Bronze Level" score (of 7.0). </p><p><br /></p><p>Even if I had given the reverse of your 1950 low scores (2s or 3s) instead of 0 scores in the four color categories, it still would have only scored in the low 7's. So even in that case Flash would have worked fine. </p><p><br /></p><p>So, in my opinon, the Flash Index did "work" for your Jeffersons. Completely capturing the monster nature of your 1941-D and the ho-hum nature of your 1950. </p><p><br /></p><p>I will definitely give some thought to the question of "how should you handle a monster toned coin with one untoned side. Should that detract from a total score? Or should it simply be ignored and not allowed to hurt the score of the monster toned side? </p><p><br /></p><p>I do actually agree with you that for most coins (especially) Morgans the market place is saying "Do not penalize a monster toned coin if it has an untoned side". So I will definitely spend some time rethinking this. Fortunately, this appears to rarely be an issue for Monster Toned Lincoln cents -- which was the basis for my initial study.</p><p><br /></p><p>These are the kinds of questions I was hoping to get from other toned coin lovers with an interest in this system! So THANK YOU for providing this great food for thought. </p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH]170472.vB[/ATTACH][ATTACH]170474.vB[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH]170473.vB[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH]170478.vB[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="WingedLiberty, post: 1409274, member: 26030"]Hey Lehigh, By the way i LOVE your 1941-D Jefferson. Wow Ok, you know I love a good challenge and you threw down the gauntlet! First off, just to be fair, you can't change my Flash Index system then say it doesn't work! If you take a look at this page that details the system: [URL]http://100greatestmirrorprooflincolns.com/flash.html[/URL] You will see that No Color or Minor Color on a side scores 0 in all four color categories. Whether that is a good or fair system, I am starting to have doubts as your thoughts on some of the moster toned Morgans have color on only 1 side is a good one. For Lincoln cents, it's interesting but typically the toning is on both sides. In any case, I do wonder if a better system would be to ignore an untoned side completely ... still is THAT fair to coins that have both sides with monster toning? shouldn't that have a some sort of premium. These are all great questions and will have to give that more thought!!! So any way back to your Jeffersons. I did the tweak to Flash Index system for MS coins vs. Proofs ... where the Proof Categories "Mirrors and Sparkle" are replaced with MS Categories "Brightness and Luster". (Brightness is basically a judgement of the brightness or shine off the high points of the design (a quality which adds to a toned coin's appeal (IMHO)). So I scored your two Jefferson is my Flash Index system below. Since your 1950 shows "minor color" on the reverse, it scores 0 in four color categories. So using Flash, the 1941-D scores a "Gold Level" toning score with a near perfect 9.6 (out of 10) ... while the 1950 scored a medeocre 5.9, well below the lowest "Bronze Level" score (of 7.0). Even if I had given the reverse of your 1950 low scores (2s or 3s) instead of 0 scores in the four color categories, it still would have only scored in the low 7's. So even in that case Flash would have worked fine. So, in my opinon, the Flash Index did "work" for your Jeffersons. Completely capturing the monster nature of your 1941-D and the ho-hum nature of your 1950. I will definitely give some thought to the question of "how should you handle a monster toned coin with one untoned side. Should that detract from a total score? Or should it simply be ignored and not allowed to hurt the score of the monster toned side? I do actually agree with you that for most coins (especially) Morgans the market place is saying "Do not penalize a monster toned coin if it has an untoned side". So I will definitely spend some time rethinking this. Fortunately, this appears to rarely be an issue for Monster Toned Lincoln cents -- which was the basis for my initial study. These are the kinds of questions I was hoping to get from other toned coin lovers with an interest in this system! So THANK YOU for providing this great food for thought. [ATTACH]170472.vB[/ATTACH][ATTACH]170474.vB[/ATTACH] [ATTACH]170473.vB[/ATTACH] [ATTACH]170478.vB[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]
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