Featured The “Roman” Caduceus challenge

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  1. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    A big Baktrian kerykeion/caduceus.
    Greco Baktrian Demetrios Elephant.jpg
    BAKTRIA, Indo-Greek Kingdom
    Demetrios I Aniketos

    AE Trichalkon. 12.14g, 31mm. BAKTRIA, Greco-Baktrian Kingdom, circa 200-185 BC. SNG ANS 209-11. O: Head of elephant right, wearing bell around neck. R: ΒΑΣΙΛΕΩΣ ΔΗΜΗΤΡΙΟΥ; Kerykeion (caduceus); N to inner left.

    And my most recent coin with a caduceus.
    Antoninus Pius - Den Hands Caduceus ex Peck 3929.jpg
    ANTONINUS PIUS
    AR Denarius. 3.46g, 18mm. Rome mint, AD 139. RIC 43 (S); RSC 833; BMCRE pg 17, 85. O: ANTONINVS AVG PIVS P P, bare head right. R: TR P COS II, Clasped hands holding winged caduceus and two corn-ears.
    Ex Phil Peck Collection
     
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  3. THCoins

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  4. Ocatarinetabellatchitchix

    Ocatarinetabellatchitchix Well-Known Member

    Many thanks for your participation in this thread. It is not the first “challenge” we achieve, but I didn’t think we would reach such a wide range of fantastic coins : Roman Imperial, Roman Republican, Roman provincial, Greek, Indo-Greek, Imperiatorial, Judean, 5th century BC to 5th century AD, silver, bronze, billion...what an incredible and generous community we have here on CoinTalk !

    Musée le Louvre, Paris
     
  5. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    CADUCEUS

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    RImp Marc Antony & Octavian AR Quinarius 1.58g Military Mint Gaul 39BCE Concordia r Hands clasped caduceus Cr-529-4b Sear 1575 Syd-1195


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    RI Prv Thrace Deultum Tranquillina 241-244 CE Æ 22mm 6.6 g Hermes purse caduceus SNG Bulgaria 1504-8


    RI Valerian I 253-260 CE AR Ant Felicitas stndg Caduceus and Cornucopia.jpg
    RI Prv Thrace Deultum Tranquillina 241-244 CE Æ 22mm 6.6 g Hermes purse caduceus SNG Bulgaria 1504-8


    RI Vespasian 69-79 CE AE Dupondius Felicitas stdg caduceus cornucopia sinister left.jpg
    RI Vespasian 69-79 CE AE Dupondius Felicitas stdg caduceus cornucopia sinister left
     
  6. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    I will only inflict a small number of mine

    Antoninus Pius
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    Septimius Severus
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  7. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    REPUBLIC

    RImp Marc Antony AR Quin Concordia Clasped Hands Caduceus Cr 529-4b.jpg
    RImp Marc Antony AR Quin Concordia Clasped Hands Caduceus Cr 529-4b


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    RR Annius Luscus Hispaniensis 82-81 BCE AR Den Fem scales caduceus Quadriga Q Sertorius S 289 Cr 366-1


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    RR C Mamilius 82 BCE AR Den Serrate Mercury caduceus Ulysses Dog Argos Sear 282 Craw 362-1
     
  8. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    OTHER KERYKEION

    Carthage
    Carthage mint 2nd Punic War 215-201 BCE AE Shekel Tanit Horse stepping kerykeion SNG Cop 327.JPG
    Carthage mint 2nd Punic War 215-201 BCE AE Shekel Tanit Horse stepping kerykeion caduceus SNG Cop 327


    Sicily
    Sicily Menainon Hermes in petasos, caduceus, two pellets Hexas.jpg
    Sicily Menainon Hermes in petasos, kerykeion caduceus, two pellets Hexas
     
  9. Sulla80

    Sulla80 Well-Known Member

    Informative thread @Ocatarinetabellatchitchix, thank you. I especially like those Ningishzida vases. Here's my favorite coin with caduceus from one of the lead actors in the conspiracy against Julius Caesar (although he was not present at the assassination). A book on the moneyer can be found here.
    Albinus Bruti.jpg Imperatorial Rome, D. Junius Brutus Albinus, 48 BC, AR Denarius, Rome mint
    Obv: Head of Pietas right, wearing cruciform earring and pearl necklace; PIETAS downward to left
    Rev: Clasped hands holding winged caduceus; ALBINVS • BRVTI • F around below
    Ref: Crawford 450/2, Postumia 10
     
  10. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Somehow it was adopted as the symbol of registered nurses (winged caduceus)-- a mistake, apparently. U.S. physicians use the staff of Asklepios as their symbol. For instance, the American Medical Association's logo:

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    Here's Hermanubis holding a winged caduceus:

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    EGYPT, Alexandria. Philip II as Caesar
    Regnal year 4 of Philip I, CE 246/7
    billion tetradrachm, 22 mm, 12.8 gm
    Obv: MIOVΦIΛIΠΠOCKCEB; cuirassed bust right, bare head
    Rev: Hermanubis standing facing, head right, winged caduceus in right arm and palm branch in left hand; jackal (looking more like Disney's Pluto) left at feet; L-Δ
    Ref: Emmett 3592.4(Caesar); Milne 3676; Dattari-Savio pl. 264, 5079

    Felicitas:

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    Elagabalus
    AR denarius, 2.4g, 19mm, 6h; Antioch mint.
    Obv.: ANTONINVS PIVS FEL AVG; Laureate, draped and cuirassed bust right.
    Rev.: TEMPORVM FEL; Felicitas standing left, holding caduceus and patera.
    Reference: RIC IVb 201, p. 44.
    ex Doug Smith Collection #527

    On a pediment:
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    Marcus Aurelius
    Sestertius; 31 mm, 24 gm; struck AD 173, Rome mint
    Obv: laureate, draped, and cuirassed bust right
    Rev: Mercury standing left on pedestal, holding caduceus and purse (it looks more like a patera to me); within temple with figural columns (telamones); on semicircular pediment, tortoise (unfortunately worn on this coin), cockerel, ram, caduceus, winged helmet, and purse; S-C across fields; RELIG AVG in exergue
    Ref: RIC III 1074; MIR 18, 258-6/37; Banti 260

    Held by Eirene:
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    EGYPT, Alexandria. Antoninus Pius
    AE drachm, regnal year 14
    Obv: laureate draped bust right
    Rev: Eirene standing left, holding corn ears and caduceus; L I Δ in fields
    Ref: Emmett 1500.14; Dattari 2532
    Ex Robert L. Grover Collection of Roman-Egyptian Coinage, previously held by the Art Institute of Chicago
     
  11. Volodya

    Volodya Junior Member

    Here are some.
    Phil Davis

    Phil (35).JPG Phil (65).JPG Phil (78).JPG Phil (135).JPG Phil (147).JPG Phil (160).JPG Phil (165).JPG
     
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  12. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caduceus#Confusion_with_Rod_of_Asclepius
    All concerned should be aware of the reason for the confusion and the steps to correct it by various groups of medical professionals.

    Short story: Blame it on an Army officer in 1902. The slowness to correct it seems more a matter of which symbol is believed to sell the product better. After all, two snakes are better than one.
     
  13. Ryro

    Ryro Trying to remove supporter status

    Simply in awe of some of the coins in this thread. :snaphappy:Don't mind if I double dip with thise lil doozy.
    I was just looking through my Napoleon medals and came across this sweet win. I'd attempted to buy this reverse on two other occasions. Making this one all the more enjoyable to roll through my fingers:
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    Napoleonic medals NAPOLEONE BONAPARTE Napoleon period, from 1795 to 1815. Medal 1807. Gr. 13.30 mm 31.5 Dr. NAPOLEON EMPEREUR ET ROI. Head graduate at S. Rv. PAIX ET COMMERCE. Mercury sitting towards d., on a stump, holds caduceus and emptying cornucopia; in exercise, 1807. Julius 1832. Rare. Spl

    Ex: in Asta
     
  14. Mathew Taylor

    Mathew Taylor New Member

    Hi, I have a coin that is similar to these and have no idea what it may be, think I would be able to send a pic over?
     
  15. Limes

    Limes Well-Known Member

    Sure, just post a picture from both sides in this thread (use the upload a file option).
     
  16. Tejas

    Tejas Well-Known Member

    Coincidentally, it was just recently that I wondered what a Caduceus is, so this write-up was both very useful and very timely for me. Thanks for that.

    Here is a Postumus with Caduceus reverse, which has not yet come up:


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  17. Hrefn

    Hrefn Well-Known Member

    The Notitia dignitatum shows this page of military insignia. This is a copy of a Roman document of circa 400 AD. upload_2021-6-3_21-14-8.jpeg
    The Celte (Celts?) shield seems to sport a variant of the caduceus.
     
  18. jb_depew

    jb_depew Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the informative write-up! Here are a few examples from my collection:

    From Perinthos in Thrace:

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    A "Roman-looking" provincial struck under Tiberius in Commagene:

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    Kings of Paphlagonia, Pylaimenes II/III Euergetes:

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    Kings of Macedon, Philip III Arrhidaios Æ half unit, showing a kerykeion on both sides:

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  19. ambr0zie

    ambr0zie Dacian Taraboste

    Late for the party, but I have some coins to show.
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    Vespasianus (69-79) Denarius
    AD 70
    Obverse Legend: IMP CAESAR VESPASIANVS AVG
    Type: Head of Vespasian, laureate, right
    Portrait: Vespasian
    Reverse Legend: COS ITER TR POT
    Type: Pax, draped. seated left, holding branch in extended right hand and winged caduceus in left
    RIC 29

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    2.24 g 15.3 mm Quadrans
    RIC II Nerva 113
    Date: AD 98
    Legend: IMP NERVA CAES AVG
    Type: Modius containing four corn-ears
    Legend: S C
    Type: Winged caduceus upright

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    Antoninus Pius AD 138-161. Rome Denarius AR 19 mm., 2,90 g.
    RIC III Antoninus Pius 136
    Date Range: AD 145 - AD 161
    Obverse Legend: ANTONINVS AVG PIVS P P; Type: Head of Antoninus Pius, laureate, right
    Reverse Legend: COS IIII; Type: Clasped hands holding caduceus between two corn-ear
     
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  20. DonnaML

    DonnaML Well-Known Member

    Here are the ones I have, with the deity or personification holding the caduceus noted in parentheses:

    C. Mamilius Limetanus (Mercury):

    Mamilius Limetanus (Mercury - Ulysses & dog) jpg version.jpg

    Caracalla (Felicitas):

    Caracalla - youthful.jpg

    Macrinus/Diadumenian (Hermes)

    Macrinus & Diadumenian - Hermes photo jpg.jpg

    Trebonianus Gallus (Felicitas):

    Trebonianus Gallus - Felicitas jpg version.jpg
    Tacitus (Felicitas):

    lightened COMBINED Tacitus antoninianus.jpg

    Carinus (Felicitas):

    Carinus Antoninianus - jpg version.jpg
     
  21. gogili1977

    gogili1977 Well-Known Member

    Vespasian, AR Denarius, Rome, AD 74., IMP CAESAR VESPASIANVS AVG, laureate head right / PON MAX TR P COS V, winged caduceus. RIC 703, 3.10g.
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