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<p>[QUOTE="EWC3, post: 3539821, member: 93416"]Actually, elsewhere this matter has meanwhile progressed quite far (on an old Yahoo group, thanks Ross G)</p><p><br /></p><p>see this link From Epiphanius of Salamis Late 4th cent AD</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://oi.uchicago.edu/sites/oi.uchicago.edu/files/uploads/shared/docs/saoc11.pdf" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://oi.uchicago.edu/sites/oi.uchicago.edu/files/uploads/shared/docs/saoc11.pdf" rel="nofollow">https://oi.uchicago.edu/sites/oi.uchicago.edu/files/uploads/shared/docs/saoc11.pdf</a></p><p><br /></p><p>It reports two different systems</p><p><br /></p><p>System A</p><p><br /></p><p>1 libra = 12 ounces = 288 grams/scruples = 1,728 carats = 3,456 (fat) barleycorns.</p><p><br /></p><p>It fits the standard model quite well except making the “fat barleycorn” equal half a carat is oddly large. Skinner found physical barley grains average in weight 0.052g. Thus the troy barley grain (= “troy carat”/3) at 0.064799 is already “fat”. The one from Epiphanius is about 0.095g – so starting to look morbidly obese. If Epiphanius is correct then his grain looks to be almost three times the size of Isidore’s lentil……………..</p><p><br /></p><p>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~</p><p><br /></p><p>System B</p><p><br /></p><p>Nomisma = Talent = 60 assaria (mina?)</p><p>Assaria = 100 denaria</p><p>Nomisma = 6,000 lepta</p><p>Libra = 12 ounces</p><p>ounce = 2 staters = 4 shekels = 8 zuze = 8 denarii = 8 chalkoi = 80 obol</p><p><br /></p><p>So, unlike Isidore Epiphanius always puts the denarius at 100 to the pound. Contrary to the standard numismatic model – and most of the weights themselves - who make it 96.</p><p><br /></p><p>Further – again contrary to all the leading modern numismatic authorities – he makes 10 obols to the denarius rather than six</p><p><br /></p><p>Thus far then, the only Roman primary source mentioned contradicts the modern accounts we find in coin books. But it is consistent with the early Dark Age Isidore – who also mentions a 100 denarius pound.</p><p><br /></p><p>Actually, this concerns how I got confused earlier. The Romans had a least three sorts of elements to their weight set. A dozenal/duodecimal splitting, a binary splitting, and a decimal splitting. Almost looks deliberately confusing</p><p><br /></p><p>Rob T[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="EWC3, post: 3539821, member: 93416"]Actually, elsewhere this matter has meanwhile progressed quite far (on an old Yahoo group, thanks Ross G) see this link From Epiphanius of Salamis Late 4th cent AD [url]https://oi.uchicago.edu/sites/oi.uchicago.edu/files/uploads/shared/docs/saoc11.pdf[/url] It reports two different systems System A 1 libra = 12 ounces = 288 grams/scruples = 1,728 carats = 3,456 (fat) barleycorns. It fits the standard model quite well except making the “fat barleycorn” equal half a carat is oddly large. Skinner found physical barley grains average in weight 0.052g. Thus the troy barley grain (= “troy carat”/3) at 0.064799 is already “fat”. The one from Epiphanius is about 0.095g – so starting to look morbidly obese. If Epiphanius is correct then his grain looks to be almost three times the size of Isidore’s lentil…………….. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ System B Nomisma = Talent = 60 assaria (mina?) Assaria = 100 denaria Nomisma = 6,000 lepta Libra = 12 ounces ounce = 2 staters = 4 shekels = 8 zuze = 8 denarii = 8 chalkoi = 80 obol So, unlike Isidore Epiphanius always puts the denarius at 100 to the pound. Contrary to the standard numismatic model – and most of the weights themselves - who make it 96. Further – again contrary to all the leading modern numismatic authorities – he makes 10 obols to the denarius rather than six Thus far then, the only Roman primary source mentioned contradicts the modern accounts we find in coin books. But it is consistent with the early Dark Age Isidore – who also mentions a 100 denarius pound. Actually, this concerns how I got confused earlier. The Romans had a least three sorts of elements to their weight set. A dozenal/duodecimal splitting, a binary splitting, and a decimal splitting. Almost looks deliberately confusing Rob T[/QUOTE]
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