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<p>[QUOTE="HandsomeToad, post: 431553, member: 12965"]What you apparently don't know is the Constitutional Law surrounding territory belonging to the United States (aka: Federal Areas). As my quoted source explained, the lands that eventually became the state of Utah were ceded to the United States with a <u>clear and undisputed title</u>. That was ALL LANDS which included the lands the Mormons settled so the lands they were on belonged to the United States, not the Mormons. They were nothing more than squatters, not land owners, like the United States. Furthermore, as you so well explained, the dateline proves that when Utah became a State, they did so from territorial status, not a sovereign nation status. Texas never became a Territory of the United States, thus, they entered the Union when they were a sovereign nation and other than the original 13 colonies, they were the only one to enter the Union as a sovereign nation the DAY BEFORE entering the Union! That's the key! They had to be a sovereign nation the day before entering the Union, in order to qualify as entering the Union as a sovereign nation, as the Republic of Texas did.</p><p> </p><p>What's interesting is Puerto Rico is poised to do something similar but still, even if they do become the 51st state, it won't be the same as Texas since they are only a sovereign government and not a sovereign nation.</p><p> </p><p>Hawaii is no different. While they were once sovereign, they weren't when they entered the Union as the State of Hawaii. Louisiana was a sovereign nation once (aka: France) but they didn't enter the Union as a sovereign nation, they entered the Union as the Louisiana Territory, just like Utah did.</p><p> </p><p>Timelines are critical and you've proved my point with the timelines you provided. But remember, the original argument was that Utah was a sovereign nation when it entered the Union as the State of Utah, when that is undisputably <u>not</u> the case!</p><p> </p><p>Ribbit <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="HandsomeToad, post: 431553, member: 12965"]What you apparently don't know is the Constitutional Law surrounding territory belonging to the United States (aka: Federal Areas). As my quoted source explained, the lands that eventually became the state of Utah were ceded to the United States with a [U]clear and undisputed title[/U]. That was ALL LANDS which included the lands the Mormons settled so the lands they were on belonged to the United States, not the Mormons. They were nothing more than squatters, not land owners, like the United States. Furthermore, as you so well explained, the dateline proves that when Utah became a State, they did so from territorial status, not a sovereign nation status. Texas never became a Territory of the United States, thus, they entered the Union when they were a sovereign nation and other than the original 13 colonies, they were the only one to enter the Union as a sovereign nation the DAY BEFORE entering the Union! That's the key! They had to be a sovereign nation the day before entering the Union, in order to qualify as entering the Union as a sovereign nation, as the Republic of Texas did. What's interesting is Puerto Rico is poised to do something similar but still, even if they do become the 51st state, it won't be the same as Texas since they are only a sovereign government and not a sovereign nation. Hawaii is no different. While they were once sovereign, they weren't when they entered the Union as the State of Hawaii. Louisiana was a sovereign nation once (aka: France) but they didn't enter the Union as a sovereign nation, they entered the Union as the Louisiana Territory, just like Utah did. Timelines are critical and you've proved my point with the timelines you provided. But remember, the original argument was that Utah was a sovereign nation when it entered the Union as the State of Utah, when that is undisputably [U]not[/U] the case! Ribbit :)[/QUOTE]
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