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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;DonnaML, post: 6299009, member: 110350&quot;]It was certainly an important battle, but I&#039;m not sure that you can reasonably conclude that even if it hadn&#039;t taken place, or the Romans hadn&#039;t been annihilated in it, or Augustus hadn&#039;t changed Roman expansionist policy in Germania after the defeat, it would have been clear sailing thereafter for Rome in Germania. After all, another defeat could easily have occurred later on that would have had the same result.&nbsp; And there are a lot of giant steps (geographically and otherwise) between removing Roman defeat in one battle, and an ultimate outcome of Rome pacifying and Romanizing all of Germania, all the way to the Baltic and North Seas. Never mind removing the future pressure on the German tribes, from the Huns and others, that caused them to move towards the Empire in subsequent centuries.</p><p><br /></p><p>But I acknowledge that &quot;alternative history&quot; is always interesting to speculate about. I&#039;ve read and liked several novels, including those by Robert Harris (&quot;Fatherland&quot;) and Len Deighton (&quot;SS-GB&quot;), based on the premise of the UK being defeated and occupied by the Nazis in World War II.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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