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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;beef1020, post: 1223880, member: 24544&quot;]It is NGC&#039;s fault if they do not attribute the coin correctly. The fact that they will not correct their mistake is ironic for a company with the word &#039;guarantee&#039; in their name.&nbsp; </p><p><br /></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br /></p><p>This is exactly my point, what good is a grading company when you can not have any confidence in their grades.&nbsp; I agree that even with coins of the same grade some will be better quality the others, and you should still &#039;buy the coin&#039;.&nbsp; But this much difference leads to a complete lack of confidence.</p><p><br /></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>PCGS does guarantee their attributions.</p><p><br /></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br /></p><p>We can quibble over what is a 15 or a 30, but the difference in the two coins I posted was the issue.&nbsp; Regardless of the absolute score you give one or the other, those two coins do not have anywhere near the same level of wear.&nbsp; </p><p><br /></p><p>There are coins, like the 1851 N40, which have severely worn dies and produce coins in vf30 which may appear to be f15 in other varieties, I understand you have to grade with this in mind.&nbsp; But for the two coins I linked two this does not come into play.</p><p><br /></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br /></p><p>This may be true, but it does not change the fact that NGC is not good.&nbsp; They may be better then bad, but it&#039;s still not something I will pay a premium for.</p><p><br /></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br /></p><p>One we all do, and their is value in it.&nbsp; While I agree pictures are not the best way to determine wear, on the two coins I posted, it is beyond rational to deny the difference in wear.&nbsp; We are not talking about the difference between MS62 and AU55 from a picture here.</p><p><br /></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br /></p><p>I will accept this premise, which leads me to believe NGC is not consistent with their grading, and often have coins overgraded.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I think we are in basic agreement here, as you state do not &#039;trust the TPG to get a grade/value/attribution right&#039;.&nbsp; This is exactly my sentiment, and if I can&#039;t trust NGC to do this then they are not top tier.&nbsp; What is the point of paying someone to grade/attribute a coin if you can not trust them to do it correctly?</p><p><br /></p><p>As a copper collector I am sure you are familiar with CVM, from their website: <a href="http://www.earlycents.com/terms.htm" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.earlycents.com/terms.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.earlycents.com/terms.htm</a></p><p><br /></p><p>1. All coins are guaranteed genuine. I will replace or issue a refund for any&nbsp; coin found not to be genuine. This is a lifetime guarantee.</p><p>2. All attributions are guaranteed correct. Also a lifetime guarantee. I will&nbsp; issue a refund or if available provide a replacement for any coin found to be&nbsp; mis-attributed.</p><p><br /></p><p>How about Tom Reynolds at <a href="http://www.earlycoppers.com/Terms.htm:" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.earlycoppers.com/Terms.htm:" rel="nofollow">http://www.earlycoppers.com/Terms.htm:</a></p><p><br /></p><p>2. <b>All coins are guaranteed genuine. Attributions are&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; guaranteed. No time limit.</b></p><p><b><br /></b></p><p><b><br /></b></p><p><b></b>These people are top tier, not NGC.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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