Teensy-Tiny Campgate & Roma City Commemorative & an Aurelian Puzzler

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  1. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

    Unattributed lots bring such surprises, or things I know nothing about. Recently I got one that had two miniscule AEs that baffled me - a campgate and a Roma commemorative with the wolf-n-twins.

    At first I thought they were barbaric imitative issues - they were so small and crude.

    But after doing some digging, I found the campgate was issued by Arcadius, from the Thessalonica mint - and compared to most I found online, mine is actually one of the prettier ones.

    The Roma wolf is still a mystery to me - I can't make out the mint mark and it is really crude. Were these commonly this small and this crude?

    Here they are, with my best guesses at attribution, first with a Lincoln cent to get an idea of size:

    Arcadius & Roma -- AE Lot Feb 2020 (2).jpg

    Arcadius & Roma -- AE Lot Feb 2020 (1).jpg

    Arcadius Æ 4 (11)
    (383-388 A.D.)
    Fifth Period, Officina 3
    Thessalonica Mint

    D N ARCADI[VS P F AVG], pearl-diademed, draped bust r. / GLORIA [REPVBLIC]E, camp gate, Γ to left, TES in exergue.
    RIC IX 62c / 3 (S).
    (1.14 grams / 11 mm)

    City Commemorative Æ 11
    (330-333 A.D.)
    Siscia Mint (?)

    [VRBS R]OM[A], helmeted, cuirassed bust of Roma left / she-wolf left, suckling Romulus and Remus, two stars above, [?]SIS (?) in exergue.
    RIC VII Siscia 222 or barbaric imitative. Attribution uncertain.
    (0.83 grams / 11 mm)

    The lot also included an Aurelian ORIENS that is causing me attribution problems as well - the notes below outlines my problems:

    Aurelian - Ant. ORIENS Lot Feb 2020 (0).jpg

    Aurelian Æ Antoninianus
    (270-275 A.D.)
    Rome Mint?

    AVRELIANVS AVG, radiate, cuirassed bust rt. / ORIENS AVG, Sol walking left, holding
    globe and raising right hand, foot on one of two bound captives, S (retrograde Z?) XXI in ex.
    RIC V 62 ? (see note).
    (3.99 grams / 21 mm)

    Attribution Note:

    RIC 62 (Rome Mint) has many varieties of exergual marks, but not SXXI. Could this S
    be a retrograde Z? ZXXI is a listed type.

    Ticinum mint has similar mark but has "C" in obverse legend; see RIC 154.

    Corrections, speculation, guesses always welcome. Show your...teensy weensy LRB? New-to-you stuff? Aurelian oddities? FDC '51D Lincoln cents?
     
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  3. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Nice additions.

    My only tiny camp gate.

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    Magnus Maximus (383 - 388 A.D.)
    Æ13
    O: D N MAG MAXIMVS P F AVG; Pearl-diademed, draped and cuirassed bust right.
    R: SPES ROMANORVM; Camp-gate with star between its two turrets // RT
    Rome Mint 387-388 A.D.
    13mm
    1.1g
    RIC IX 59.3, p. 131, rare.

    From the Doug Smith Collection #1507
     
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  4. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    ..hmm...that campgate looks almost barbaric to me...:)
     
  5. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    I've got one of those camp gates of Arcadius from an uncleaned hoard:



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  6. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    In case you are wondering I didn't post the obverse because it is basically rubbed off...you can just barely make out Arcadius' small head.
     
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  7. Pishpash

    Pishpash Well-Known Member

    The more wobbly the campgate, the better I like it.
     
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  8. Pishpash

    Pishpash Well-Known Member

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    Ruler: Flavius Victor
    Coin: Bronze AE4
    D N FL VICTOR P F AVG - pearl-diademed, draped and cuirassed bust right
    SPES ROMANORVM - campgate, four layers, two turrets, star above, no doors.
    Exergue: [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG]
    Mint: Trier (AD 387-388)
    Wt./Size: 1.2g / 0.76mm
    References:
    • RIC IX Trier 87c
    • Cohen 5
     
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  9. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    ...easier to get in & out eh?!...:D
     
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  10. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

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  11. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

    Thanks, Valentinian - I've been on your site a lot, but I missed this page. Very informative!
     
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