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<p>[QUOTE="Lehigh96, post: 1447375, member: 15309"]First, the grading standard has not changed with respect to the market grading of coins with high point friction. What has changed is the application of the standard. There is ambiguity within all grading standards that result in the very subjectivity that causes gradeflation. Here is what PCGS says about the subject:</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>The problem lies in distinguishing which coins have friction from "wear" as opposed to "roll friction." It is extremely difficult and almost impossible to do once a coin has been dipped. The TPG's though diligent have no other choice but to admit that some of the coins they have graded with friction as MS coins are actually AU coins with circulation wear. It is unavoidable, much in the same way that it is unavoidable that they sometimes grade artificially toned coins. However, the only alternative to this is to adopt the "wear is wear" standard that you and Doug support so fervently. The result: All Saints would have the same grade: AU. Do you really want to put an MS65 Saint on a table next to an AU55 and call them equal? Apparently you do!</p><p><br /></p><p>The subtle change was not in that actual standard but the application of that standard. I think in the early years the TPG's were hesitant to apply their own policy and when it doubt would grade the coin AU. Over time they became aware that the market demanded that more of these coins should be graded as mint state coins and they adjusted accordingly. It was never my intent to make it appear cut and dried. It is far from cut and dried. It is the second most controversial aspect of grading, behing only the market acceptability concept employed for toned coins.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Lehigh96, post: 1447375, member: 15309"]First, the grading standard has not changed with respect to the market grading of coins with high point friction. What has changed is the application of the standard. There is ambiguity within all grading standards that result in the very subjectivity that causes gradeflation. Here is what PCGS says about the subject: The problem lies in distinguishing which coins have friction from "wear" as opposed to "roll friction." It is extremely difficult and almost impossible to do once a coin has been dipped. The TPG's though diligent have no other choice but to admit that some of the coins they have graded with friction as MS coins are actually AU coins with circulation wear. It is unavoidable, much in the same way that it is unavoidable that they sometimes grade artificially toned coins. However, the only alternative to this is to adopt the "wear is wear" standard that you and Doug support so fervently. The result: All Saints would have the same grade: AU. Do you really want to put an MS65 Saint on a table next to an AU55 and call them equal? Apparently you do! The subtle change was not in that actual standard but the application of that standard. I think in the early years the TPG's were hesitant to apply their own policy and when it doubt would grade the coin AU. Over time they became aware that the market demanded that more of these coins should be graded as mint state coins and they adjusted accordingly. It was never my intent to make it appear cut and dried. It is far from cut and dried. It is the second most controversial aspect of grading, behing only the market acceptability concept employed for toned coins.[/QUOTE]
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