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<p>[QUOTE="clembo, post: 292313, member: 8033"]A great subject full of so many variables and opinions.</p><p><br /></p><p>I use the ANA book myself. I like the fact that they do mention weak strikes etc. </p><p>I am by no means a professional grader, however, being a 2 Cent Junkie I have noticed a lot of things about them over the years.</p><p>For example 1867 coins are often weakly struck - no mention of this in ANA but believe me it's true.</p><p><br /></p><p>Actually most of the "technically" graded 2 Cent pieces I see slabbed by reputable TPGs are correct in my opinion.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now as for "market" grading I've seen some of the worst overgrading ever on these coins especially the key small motto and 1872 dates (go figure).</p><p>At a show I had a dealer (with three severely overgraded 1872 tell me I'd NEVER find one with with a strong WE if I could find one with WE at all. Well, I have three now - NOT razor sharp but most defninetely strong.</p><p><br /></p><p>On another occasion I purchased a VF20 1872 from a dealer off a web site. NOW, this dealer is actually a contributor to Redbook. When I received the coin it had numerous rim dings (quite noticeable) and less than F12 detail. I showed this coin to my local dealers as well as sending pics to my friends on the internet. </p><p>When I inquired (and I had read the policies believe me) about returning the coin he was very rude. His main argument? I'm a contributor to Redbook. Big deal - I got my money back on a coin that I told him "was grossly over graded".</p><p><br /></p><p>Now taking this further into TPGs I do feel that some coins do get over graded due to rarity even if they are not extremely rare. What one uses as a grading guide really comes into play here I believe.</p><p>Mikenoodle mentioned the 1927-S Standing Liberty Quarter - boy did that hit home!</p><p><br /></p><p>This is a coin that I always thought was under rated even in lower grades so I used to buy them in VG (my local dealer using ANA standards) for $10-15. Many of his VGs were just a hair short of F12. Then as I got into ebay and shows I would see PCGS coins at F12 or even 15 that had nothing on my raw VGs. Difference? PCGS really seems to concentrate on the knee and not the shield.</p><p><br /></p><p>So should I send my VGs in to be slabbed by PCGS hoping for the F12 or higher and turn my $10 coin into a $90 coin (less slabbing fees of course). Then I could sell the slab and not the coin.</p><p><br /></p><p>Through all of my rambling my point is this. There is a big difference between technical and market grading. There are also a ton of variables in the overall equation.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="clembo, post: 292313, member: 8033"]A great subject full of so many variables and opinions. I use the ANA book myself. I like the fact that they do mention weak strikes etc. I am by no means a professional grader, however, being a 2 Cent Junkie I have noticed a lot of things about them over the years. For example 1867 coins are often weakly struck - no mention of this in ANA but believe me it's true. Actually most of the "technically" graded 2 Cent pieces I see slabbed by reputable TPGs are correct in my opinion. Now as for "market" grading I've seen some of the worst overgrading ever on these coins especially the key small motto and 1872 dates (go figure). At a show I had a dealer (with three severely overgraded 1872 tell me I'd NEVER find one with with a strong WE if I could find one with WE at all. Well, I have three now - NOT razor sharp but most defninetely strong. On another occasion I purchased a VF20 1872 from a dealer off a web site. NOW, this dealer is actually a contributor to Redbook. When I received the coin it had numerous rim dings (quite noticeable) and less than F12 detail. I showed this coin to my local dealers as well as sending pics to my friends on the internet. When I inquired (and I had read the policies believe me) about returning the coin he was very rude. His main argument? I'm a contributor to Redbook. Big deal - I got my money back on a coin that I told him "was grossly over graded". Now taking this further into TPGs I do feel that some coins do get over graded due to rarity even if they are not extremely rare. What one uses as a grading guide really comes into play here I believe. Mikenoodle mentioned the 1927-S Standing Liberty Quarter - boy did that hit home! This is a coin that I always thought was under rated even in lower grades so I used to buy them in VG (my local dealer using ANA standards) for $10-15. Many of his VGs were just a hair short of F12. Then as I got into ebay and shows I would see PCGS coins at F12 or even 15 that had nothing on my raw VGs. Difference? PCGS really seems to concentrate on the knee and not the shield. So should I send my VGs in to be slabbed by PCGS hoping for the F12 or higher and turn my $10 coin into a $90 coin (less slabbing fees of course). Then I could sell the slab and not the coin. Through all of my rambling my point is this. There is a big difference between technical and market grading. There are also a ton of variables in the overall equation.[/QUOTE]
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