Tanit Horsehead Punic Sardinia

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  1. Andres2

    Andres2 Well-Known Member

    Bought these 2 AE units in November and December, I'm curious if there are Cointalkers
    with coins of Punic Sardinia. Please show 'm. Thank you.

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  3. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    How does one tell Punic Sardinia coins from those of Carthage?
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  4. Andres2

    Andres2 Well-Known Member

  5. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    Does it have anything to do with the symbol under the horse's chin?
     
  6. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Nice bronzes!!!

    I have a couple of Carthage and a Tet pending from Sicily but none stated to be struck in Sardinia. I'd be interested to know how that is determined as well....and what to look out for.
     
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  7. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Great Carthage Sardinians! Love the Green Patina on the Double Unit.

    Here are my Carthage coins minted in Sardinia:

    (My last two are from the BRUTAL Carthage-Mercenary War after the 1st Punic War)

    Carthage 3rd C BC AE 20 Sardinia Mint Tanit-Kore Horse Hd Pellet O-R.jpg
    Carthage 3rd C (320-264 BCE) AE 20 Sardinia Mint Tanit-Kore Horse Hd Pellet 4.3g SNG COP 164

    Carthage - LIBYAN REVOLT 241-238 BCE Sardinia mint Tanit 3 Grain ears SNG Cop 252 O-R.JPG
    Carthage - LIBYAN REVOLT 241-238 BCE Sardinia mint Tanit 3 Grain ears SNG Cop 252

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    Carthage - LIBYAN REVOLT Rebels 241-238 BCE 9.63g 24mm Shekel Sardinia mint Tanit 3 Grain ears Crescent SNG Cop 247
     
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  8. Hispanicus

    Hispanicus Stand Fast!

    Count me in as one who would like to know what distinguishes a Punic coin minted in Sardinia.
     
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  9. JBGood

    JBGood Collector of coinage Supporter

    Me too! I have coins like this but not sure the mint. I'm thinking if Doug isn't sure......? Carthage shekel.jpg
    My tag says this is a shekel from Carthage.
     
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  10. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

  11. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    I am by no means an expert. However, when I purchased them (3 different sellers), I received their references. Additionally, I also acquired (from Warren Esty), a Sylloge Nummorum Graecorum for North Africa Syrtica-Mauretania from 1969 PLATE BOOK that illustrates each of my coins. I confirmed, but amended my last one from SNG COP 248 to 247 due to its weight. Other than that, not being a Numismatist, this is the best way I was able to reference or confirm reference.

    Nice Large reference at approx 15.5" x 11.5" (39 x 29 cm) that illustrates a nice chunk of Carthage issues.

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  12. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    Wonderful coins all.
    I might have one. Can't tell :)
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  13. JBGood

    JBGood Collector of coinage Supporter

    I'd say you are a numismatist now!
     
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  14. Pishpash

    Pishpash Well-Known Member

    I have three from Carthage
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    The third one is 3 shekel.
     
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  15. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Well thank you. LOL, but nope. I do not collect numismatically, rather I like Historical, love them worn and used as they have touched Human Hands from that period. It is nice to have variants, but I do not focus my thoughts there.
     
  16. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Great coins Pish! I really like tri-shekels! Big and dominating type coins. What are the specs on yours?
     
  17. Pishpash

    Pishpash Well-Known Member

    Sorry Brian, I should have included them
    Coin No 1
    Carthage, Zeugitana
    Coin: Bronze
    - Head of Tanit left, wearing wreath of grain ears
    - Horse's head right; pellet before
    Mint: Zeugitana (300-264 BC)
    Wt./Size/Axis: 0.00g / 17mm / -
    References: SNG Copenhagen 169-171

    Coin No 2
    Carthage, Zeugitana
    Coin: Bronze Shekel
    None - Wreathed head of Tanit left
    None - Horse standing right, looking left
    Mint: Carthage (215-201 BC)
    Wt./Size/Axis: 7.07g / 22mm / -
    Rarity: Scarce
    Acquisition/Sale: $0.00
    Ref: SNG Copenhagen 309-13
    CARTHAGE, SECOND PUNIC WAR

    Coin No 3 - previous owner ancientnoob
    Carthage, Zeugitana
    Coin: Bronze 3 shekel
    - Goddess Tanit left
    - Horse right, foreleg up
    Mint: Zeugitana (201-195 BC)
    Wt./Size/Axis: 17.78g / 28mm / -
    Rarity: Rare
    References: cf MMA 105
     
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  18. Gavin Richardson

    Gavin Richardson Well-Known Member

    Ah, I love those Tanit/horse coins. One day I’ll pick one up. I understand that the horse head is an allusion to the legend that the Phoenicians/Tyrians who founded Carthage decided to found their new city at the site where they dug up the head of a fiery stallion (“caput acris equi)”—a foreshadowing of their vigorous and warlike spirit. And Tanit is the North African Juno. Vergil makes use of both associations in Aeneid 1:

    Lucus in urbe fuit media, laetissimus umbra,
    quo primum iactati undis et turbine Poeni
    effodere loco signum, quod regia Iuno
    monstrarat, caput acris equi; sic nam fore bello
    egregiam et facilem victu per saecula gentem. 445
    Hic templum Iunoni ingens Sidonia Dido
    condebat, donis opulentum et numine divae,
    aerea cui gradibus surgebant limina, nexaeque
    aere trabes, foribus cardo stridebat aenis.

    “[441] Amid the city was a grove, luxuriant in shade, the spot where the first Phoenicians, tossed by waves and whirlwind, dug up the token which queenly Juno had pointed out, a head of the spirited horse; for thus was the race to be famous in war and rich in substance through the ages. Here Sidonian Dido was founding to Juno a mighty temple, rich in gifts and the presence of the goddess.”

    I wonder if the Juno/Horse head legend preceded the coin, or if it was a tradition that developed long after the coin. Fagles’s notes to the Aeneid assumes the tradition predates and explains the coin imagery, but I don’t know how far back that tradition is attested.
     
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  19. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    Every time I see one of those horse head coins, I think of this:

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  20. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    NICE big Tri-Shekel! They are fun to hold.

    I have a couple:

    Carthage AE Trishekel Tanit Horse 220-215 BCE 30mm 17.6g Lot 35.jpg
    Carthage AE Trishekel Tanit Horse 220-215 BCE 30mm 17.6g Lot 35.jpg

    Carthage AE Trishekel Tanit Horse 220-215 BCE 30mm 19.7g Lot 36.jpg
    Carthage AE Trishekel Tanit Horse 220-215 BCE 30mm 19.7g Lot 36.jpg
     
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  21. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Wow, Andres => those are two fantastic OP-additions (congrats)

    Oh, and amazing pile-on additions by the coin-troops as well (it's always cool to see other people's sweet coins, eh?)

    I scored a wonderful AR Xmas gift, which shows Tanit on the obverse and a sweet horse on the reverse (yah, I don't recall being good, but Santa rewarded me with a fricken beauty) ... I will try to snap a couple of lousy stevex6 home-photos for ya
     
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