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<p>[QUOTE="gboulton, post: 1252521, member: 27043"]Nobody suggested you had to be. Is it ok if other are?</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>So suddenly it isn't one because you don't consider it one? What other forms of speculation and investing are or aren't hobbies? Have you compiled a list, so we all know which are worthy of our attention and time, and which aren't?</p><p><br /></p><p>Besides...your problem isn't with those who stock pile and hoard, is it? They simply by metal objects minted into recognizable shapes and forms, and then hold them for extended periods of time because of the value they place in them.</p><p><br /></p><p>You know...like coin collectors.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I'd certainly agree here...when a rarity or valuable work is destroyed through ignorance, it's a loss for all involved.</p><p><br /></p><p>But then...if a coin dealer can't be bothered to educate himself on the value of the coins he handles, how does that have anything to do with who sold it to him...or their behaviour and attitude while doing so? Didn't the dealer's ignorance about foreign coins exist in 1984, or 2002 as well? </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Fair enough. I also wouldn't want an unethical business in my community. But these folks were unethical before the "metals craze" started, according to you...so this story wasn't really about metals exchange.</p><p><br /></p><p>Just like all your previous complaints in this post...it's a problem with INDIVIDUALS, and a problem that existed REGARDLESS of what was being traded in their shop.</p><p><br /></p><p>The two coin shops in MY community are owned and staffed by honest and respectable folks, who do their best to make a profit while treating customers with respect and dignity. As a result, their customers tend to ACT in a respectful and dignified manner as well...even when trading in metals. Indeed, I've witnessed the owner of one of these establishments invite a customer to leave the premises due to her "zoo-like" behaviour.</p><p><br /></p><p>As is the case in "your" shop...that owner was who he is long before metals became the primary source of his shop's business, and he'll continue to be long after they are. Trading in PMs didn't make him or his shop a pleasant place to do business any more than they made your shop an unpleasant one.</p><p><br /></p><p>==============</p><p><br /></p><p>Your whole post is a pretty decent summary of this entire thread. You can't stand the fact that poople view certain coins differently than you do, and feel that some aspect of your collection or collecting activities...perhaps the money you've spent, or the length of time you've been involved, or the rarity of your holdings..who knows...entitles you to dictate to others how they'll run their business, what activities engage their interest, and how they behave when they engage in those activities.</p><p><br /></p><p>You said yourself you agree with the OP...that we should "take back the hobby". Get over yourselves. The hobby never "belonged" to you to begin with. The hobby existed LONG before you came along, and it'll still be here long after you're gone.</p><p><br /></p><p>What you're really angry about isn't some noble idea of the purity of your hobby...you're angry that people don't act the way you want them to. You're sitting here throwing a temper tantrum demanding local dealers serve the hobby, AS YOU DEFINE it, and those who would do otherwise are causing some great harm, and must be stopped! </p><p><br /></p><p>Maybe THEIR hobby is making a profit...and they'll serve that hobby as THEY see fit. Don't like it? Too bad. Those dealers don't OWE you their service any more than you owe them your custom. Withdraw it and shop elsewhere. </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Thank you. The post wasn't complete without a a condescending lesson on internet etiquette at the end.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="gboulton, post: 1252521, member: 27043"]Nobody suggested you had to be. Is it ok if other are? So suddenly it isn't one because you don't consider it one? What other forms of speculation and investing are or aren't hobbies? Have you compiled a list, so we all know which are worthy of our attention and time, and which aren't? Besides...your problem isn't with those who stock pile and hoard, is it? They simply by metal objects minted into recognizable shapes and forms, and then hold them for extended periods of time because of the value they place in them. You know...like coin collectors. I'd certainly agree here...when a rarity or valuable work is destroyed through ignorance, it's a loss for all involved. But then...if a coin dealer can't be bothered to educate himself on the value of the coins he handles, how does that have anything to do with who sold it to him...or their behaviour and attitude while doing so? Didn't the dealer's ignorance about foreign coins exist in 1984, or 2002 as well? Fair enough. I also wouldn't want an unethical business in my community. But these folks were unethical before the "metals craze" started, according to you...so this story wasn't really about metals exchange. Just like all your previous complaints in this post...it's a problem with INDIVIDUALS, and a problem that existed REGARDLESS of what was being traded in their shop. The two coin shops in MY community are owned and staffed by honest and respectable folks, who do their best to make a profit while treating customers with respect and dignity. As a result, their customers tend to ACT in a respectful and dignified manner as well...even when trading in metals. Indeed, I've witnessed the owner of one of these establishments invite a customer to leave the premises due to her "zoo-like" behaviour. As is the case in "your" shop...that owner was who he is long before metals became the primary source of his shop's business, and he'll continue to be long after they are. Trading in PMs didn't make him or his shop a pleasant place to do business any more than they made your shop an unpleasant one. ============== Your whole post is a pretty decent summary of this entire thread. You can't stand the fact that poople view certain coins differently than you do, and feel that some aspect of your collection or collecting activities...perhaps the money you've spent, or the length of time you've been involved, or the rarity of your holdings..who knows...entitles you to dictate to others how they'll run their business, what activities engage their interest, and how they behave when they engage in those activities. You said yourself you agree with the OP...that we should "take back the hobby". Get over yourselves. The hobby never "belonged" to you to begin with. The hobby existed LONG before you came along, and it'll still be here long after you're gone. What you're really angry about isn't some noble idea of the purity of your hobby...you're angry that people don't act the way you want them to. You're sitting here throwing a temper tantrum demanding local dealers serve the hobby, AS YOU DEFINE it, and those who would do otherwise are causing some great harm, and must be stopped! Maybe THEIR hobby is making a profit...and they'll serve that hobby as THEY see fit. Don't like it? Too bad. Those dealers don't OWE you their service any more than you owe them your custom. Withdraw it and shop elsewhere. Thank you. The post wasn't complete without a a condescending lesson on internet etiquette at the end.[/QUOTE]
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