Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Roman Collector, Jun 30, 2020 at 8:36 AM.
Ouch! - hope nobody was seriously injured
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He's got his dancing shoes on - aah the good old days
Lol - looks like the head and naughty bits were transplanted from a smaller statue
the mantra of coin buyers in 2020
EDIT: Sorry for the typo, will fix in my database ASAP!
That's an interesting thought. As far as I know, this statue was discovered more or less complete, just requiring some minor restoration.
However, for full replacement of heads in antiquity, it was relatively common. In some instances, it was done for a damnatio memoriae sort of situation. Sometimes, older marble heads were recarved just to fit the current political need.
For bronze statue replacements, the Colossus of Nero's head was replaced with Commodus's head, so it certainly happened.
It could be that the TBone statue was of an older bronze heroic sculpture.
As for the naughty bits, I suspect that was original to the statue. I guess these folks' family jewels were not very impressive.
Maybe T-Bone sat for the artist to craft the sculpture on the northern Germanic limes... during winter... and was cold...
I consider this T-bone to be one of the crown jewels of my Roman collection
Here is also a sestertius, sadly most of the legend is partially off-flan but still identifiable with a lovely portrait
(Volusian as Caesar is on my list - CNG listed one a few months back, but it went for a good $200 above what I was willing to pay)
And the ever-elusive Hostilian as Augustus, this one I think from the Antioch mint
When I went for a military physical once, the room was FREEZING cold. It was bit embarassing to turn my head and cough while sporting a small raisin
I have one of those Cyprian Plague Apollo issues, like the OP but in bronze. In awful shape, but these are hard to find. Somebody took a whack at Tbone's face, for some reason.
Trebonianus Gallus Æ Sestertius
IMP CAE C VIB TREB GALLVS AVG, laureate, cuirassed draped bust right / APOLLO SALVTARI S-C, Apollo naked standing left, holding branch & resting hand on lyre set on a rock.
RIC 104b (rarer than APOLL).
(17.15 grams / 27 mm)
Trebonianus Gallus, AR Antoninianus. 251-253 AD, Rome Mint. Obv. Radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right, IMP CAE C VIB TREB GALLVS AVG/ Rev. Felicitas standing left, leaning against column, holding short caduceus and transverse scepter, FELICITAS PVBLICA. RIC IV-3 34a, RSC IV 41. 22mm, 3.46g.
Volusian (son of Trebonianus Gallus), AR Antoninianus. 253 AD, Rome Mint. Obv. Radiate, draped, and cuirassed bust right, IMP CAE C VIB VOLVSIANO AVG / Volusian as Genius of the Senate, standing left, holding branch and scepter, P M TR P IIII COS II. RIC IV-3 140, RSC IV 92, Sear RCV III 9762. 21 mm., 3.74 g., 6 h.
If, as discussed in the recent thread at https://www.cointalk.com/threads/is-there-anything-more-macho-than-the-emperor-as-virtvs.361356/ -- see especially the comments by @curtislclay and myself -- the personification of Virtus is not only always female but always is shown with one bare breast, then the figure on the reverse of this coin cannot be Virtus herself, but must instead be either a soldier or Volusian himself, representing the qualities of "virtus."
Except on statutes of satyrs, Priapus, etc., portraying male figures with small genitals on statues and other art was an artistic convention in ancient Greece, which the Romans followed. See the discussion at http://www.howtotalkaboutarthistory...y-do-all-old-statues-have-such-small-penises/
"All representations of large penises in ancient Greek art and literature are associated with foolish, lustful men, or the animal-like satyrs. Meanwhile, the ideal Greek man was rational, intellectual and authoritative. He may still have had a lot of sex, but this was unrelated to his penis size, and his small penis allowed him to remain coolly logical."
See also https://www.artsy.net/article/artsy-editorial-ancient-greek-sculptures-small-penises
"Lustful, depraved satyrs, in particular, were rendered with very large, erect genitals, sometimes almost as tall as their torsos. According to mythology, these creatures were part-man, part-animal, and totally lacked restraint—a quality reviled by Greek high society. “Big penises were vulgar and outside the cultural norm, something sported by the barbarians of the world,” writes Chrystal. Indeed, across many an amphora pot and frieze, well-endowed satyrs can be seen drinking and pleasuring themselves with abandon.
In Greek comedy, fools also routinely sported large genitals—“the sign of stupidity, more of a beast than a man,” according to Chrystal. So, too, did artistic representations of the Egyptians, says Lear, who were long-time enemies of the Greeks.
In this way, satyrs, fools, and foes served as foils to male gods and heroes, who were honored for their self-control and intelligence (along with other qualities requiring restraint, like loyalty and prudence). If large phalluses represented gluttonous appetites, then “the conclusion can be drawn that the small, flaccid penis represented self-control,” explains Lear."
@DonnaML .....Wow!...You certainly know your penises!
I just read this thread and your discussion with great interest – thanks a lot for bringing it to my attention, Donna!
I do find your arguments fully convincing. Yet, I think the reverse figure on my somewhat worn antoninianus is in fact shown half bare-chested and thus must be considered Virtus. This is implied by the better-preserved coins of Volusian depicted in OCRE clearly showing a bare chest, as well as by coins of the same type minted for other emperors, such as the two examples from my collection below. Both reverse figures have one side of the chest exposed:
Gordian III, Roman Empire, antoninianus, 238–239 AD, Rome mint. Obv: IMP CAES M ANT GORDIANVS AVG; bust of Gordian III, radiate and draped, r. Rev: VIRTVS AVG; Virtus standing l., leaning on shield and holding spear. 22mm, 5.00g. Ref: RIC IV Gordian III 6. Ex Otto Helbing Nachf., München, Auction 86 (11/15/1942), lot 1758 (on ticket, in catalogue: 1757); ex AMCC 2, lot 464.
Victorinus, Gallic Roman Empire, AE antoninian, 271 AD, Trier mint. Obv: IMP C VICTORINVS PF AVG; radiate, draped, cuirassed bust of Victorinus r. Rev: [VIRT]VS AVG; Virtus, helmetes, standing r., holding spear and leaning on shield. 17mm, 1.98g. Ref: Mairat 635; RIC V,2 Victorinus 78.
Volusian. 251-253 AD. Æ Sestertius. (27mm; 17.10 gm; 1h). Obv: IMP CAE C VIB VOLVSIANO AVG, laureate, draped, and cuirassed bust right, seen from behind. Rev: IVNONI MARTIALI, S-C across fields. Juno seated facing, holding wheat-ears and scepter in r. hand; all within domed distyle temple, set on three-tiered base. RIC IV 253a; Hunter 30.
Hostilian. As Caesar, 250-251 AD. Æ Sestertius. (29mm; 19.28 gm; 6h). Rome mint, 4th officina. 5th emission of Trajan Decius, 251 AD. Obv: Bareheaded and draped bust right. Rev: Apollo seated. l. holding branch and resting elbow on lyre. RIC IV 215a
Wow. You really went there. I wish I were witty enough to think of a clever response, but I'm coming up short. I won't touch the subject with a 10-foot pole.
I'll take your word for it, although I don't really see it on your example -- it looks like both shoulders are covered with the tunic. But I guess that's just an illusion from the degree of wear.
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