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<p>[QUOTE="Clawcoins, post: 3371494, member: 77814"]You are actually right ... "<b><u>looks like they sat on an air hose</u></b>"</p><p><br /></p><p>This is a 8 micron thick copper plate on a zinc planchet. You will get gas bubbles, the surface gets damaged and stretched and torn especially in the early years (think 1982 to 1990ish or more).</p><p><br /></p><p>"<b><u>large and misshapen</u></b>" ... once again YES. This is due to the copper plated zinc planchet problems they were having, plus looks like a deteriorated die in which things start looking weird.</p><p><br /></p><p>notice has the copper "skin" is getting bubbly? The zinc underneath is corroding and pushing up the copper plating. <b>This is like a car that starts rusting and the paint starts swelling and deforming and chipping.</b></p><p><br /></p><p>You have described quite well, with a prime example, of the major issues with copper plated zinc core pennies. This one just has a lot of various problems.</p><p><br /></p><p>Google "zinc steam" for an answer to how nice (not nice) zinc is.</p><p><br /></p><p>you have to remember, these coins are made for <u>commerce</u>.</p><p>For <u>collectors they make proof sets</u>, etc.</p><p><br /></p><p>These are made from 250 to 800 per minute or 4.1 to 13.3 per second (just think of how fast that is). they don't really care about quality as much as they need quantity to maintain a certain cost ratio. So they switched to a cheap metal (they had a multiyear study on this solution reviewing issues, etc which is available on the USMINT.gov website) to reduce the cost of each coin. But the lower cost brought about many, many problems - which they knew. But due to gov't requirements and cost targets and production targets this design was used.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Also, keep in mind the reason "steam" is an issue is that blanks go through annealing, cleaning (in water) then through a furnace to dry them (creating steam). So the US MINt tests coins going through that process to make sure they can survive. The Cents do good enough ...</p><p><br /></p><p>Then add all the times ppl leave their change in their pockets before having them go through a washer/dryer kinda emulating the very problem they have issues with.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Clawcoins, post: 3371494, member: 77814"]You are actually right ... "[B][U]looks like they sat on an air hose[/U][/B]" This is a 8 micron thick copper plate on a zinc planchet. You will get gas bubbles, the surface gets damaged and stretched and torn especially in the early years (think 1982 to 1990ish or more). "[B][U]large and misshapen[/U][/B]" ... once again YES. This is due to the copper plated zinc planchet problems they were having, plus looks like a deteriorated die in which things start looking weird. notice has the copper "skin" is getting bubbly? The zinc underneath is corroding and pushing up the copper plating. [B]This is like a car that starts rusting and the paint starts swelling and deforming and chipping.[/B] You have described quite well, with a prime example, of the major issues with copper plated zinc core pennies. This one just has a lot of various problems. Google "zinc steam" for an answer to how nice (not nice) zinc is. you have to remember, these coins are made for [U]commerce[/U]. For [U]collectors they make proof sets[/U], etc. These are made from 250 to 800 per minute or 4.1 to 13.3 per second (just think of how fast that is). they don't really care about quality as much as they need quantity to maintain a certain cost ratio. So they switched to a cheap metal (they had a multiyear study on this solution reviewing issues, etc which is available on the USMINT.gov website) to reduce the cost of each coin. But the lower cost brought about many, many problems - which they knew. But due to gov't requirements and cost targets and production targets this design was used. Also, keep in mind the reason "steam" is an issue is that blanks go through annealing, cleaning (in water) then through a furnace to dry them (creating steam). So the US MINt tests coins going through that process to make sure they can survive. The Cents do good enough ... Then add all the times ppl leave their change in their pockets before having them go through a washer/dryer kinda emulating the very problem they have issues with.[/QUOTE]
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