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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;7Jags, post: 8310565, member: 78719&quot;]Greg, I think I covered this to some degree in comments about packaging and I think your examples demonstrate my point. If a coin is superbly struck and has squared off rims with sharp detail of devices, cameo contrast, orange peeling within the &quot;proofy&quot; fields, sharp reeding, sharp lettering, lettering and devices more deeply struck than currency and consistent with multiple deep strikes then IMO it is not a mistake to call such a coin a proof no matter what it is labelled.</p><p>I for one do not really care what the packaging is but rather what the actual coin is and its characteristics.</p><p>You can trot out the German examples, and I can trot out some of the recent British sovereigns that are called &quot;brilliant uncirculated&quot; that have extraordinarily sharp strikes - in fact some struck with up to SIX times (on some occasions although not all) repeated higher pressure strikes. These coins have all of the characteristics (and more) listed and would likely and IMO appropriately be called &quot;proofs&quot; even though labelled else wise - some of us have had some good laughs on this and how the Royal Mint have to some degree painted themselves into a corner. Labelled proofs may have been struck even more times, and are proofs, but inspection of the actual coins in the former circumstance (BU coins) show that they fit many if not most of the proof characteristics that would satisfy.</p><p>How would bbI think that it is possible to agree to disagree.</p><p>This discussion very much reminds me of the lumpers versus splitters arguments in biology. We can artificially pigeonhole a coin or other entity but the individual merits of a particular item or specimen is what creates the issue and would not consider such a judgement to be a &quot;mistake&quot; but rather a lesson in semantics.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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